To all people w/ BAER TRACK Big Brake Kit!!!!! PLEASE READ!!!!!!!

[spooling95gst]

I have a 95 GST, and i bought some RX7 Rims, well, i want to put these on my car, and i just want to know that the radius is from the center of the HUB, to the outside of the Caliper on the Baer 13" Track kit! If anyone could do me this favor, that would be great because i would like to use these rims! I do not want to go 17! and i dont want to go 12" on the Rotor..... Thanks!
-Ali

 

[BOMEX DSM]

Originally posted by spooling95gst
I have a 95 GST, and i bought some RX7 Rims, well, i want to put these on my car, and i just want to know that the radius is from the center of the HUB, to the outside of the Caliper on the Baer 13" Track kit! If anyone could do me this favor, that would be great because i would like to use these rims! I do not want to go 17! and i dont want to go 12" on the Rotor..... Thanks!
-Ali

If you are gettin the 13inch rotors then u gonna need 17s 16s wont clear not even 17inch stealth wheels will clear thats why i have 18s hope that helps.

 

[spooling95gst]

Damn, thanks! Do you know if there is a big difference in braking distance in the 13" baer rotors from the 12" baer rotors? and if anyone has a pic of a Baer 12" rotor behind some 16" rims, please post! Thanks!

 

[BOMEX DSM]

Originally posted by spooling95gst
Damn, thanks! Do you know if there is a big difference in braking distance in the 13" baer rotors from the 12" baer rotors? and if anyone has a pic of a Baer 12" rotor behind some 16" rims, please post! Thanks!

There shouldnt be a huge difference since the 13inch ones dont use the whole rotor to brake, i think the biggest difference are the dual piston calipers but i would consult to see if the 16inch wheels will fit the 12inch rotor since the caliper seems to be a problem.

 

[TSiAWD666]

I think BAER can provide the info to you for fitment... I think it might be on their website actually.

 

[hoffman]

couldnt you check under rx-7? see what baer lists as the rotor/kit size that fits the stock fd rims?

 

[RallyGSX]

I got the 12" Baer track brakes about a year ago. I THINK Baer can send you a template to determine if your wheels will fit. The 13s should have a slight edge in performance because the rotor surface area would be larger at a 13" dia. than 12". I didn't go with 13s because the largest rally tires I could find were 16", most rally teams run smaller, but the Baers were an affordable option, and I'm racing on a budget. If you're staying on the pavement, why not run 17s? I do know the 13" brakes won't fit on ANY 16" rim I know about.

One small piece of advise: Follow the break in directions that come with the brakes. After they are broken in, duct some air to the rotors through the front facia where the stock foglights go (assuming FMIC, this is another good reason to go FMIC). The stock fenders do not allow enough airflow to the rotors to keep the temps. in check, no matter how good a brake system you buy.

 

[MNGSX]

That is good info.

I'm not too sure that the available traction in rally driving would make the difference between 12" rotors and 13" rotors all that noticable or that 13" would'nt actually hurt things since it would be harder to keep them from locking.

Almost forgot. What do you use to make ducts?

How do the 13"s fill out 18 inch wheels?

Not that I'm more concerned with looks too much but stock brakes in big wheels just looks funny.

If they had even bigger than 13" id consider it for drag use.

 

[mike9146]

The 13" Baer kit will not clear the 3G RX7 wheels. I tried it, not even close.

 

[spooling95gst]

I have one more question! My car does not have ABS, and if it doesnt have ABS, whats the difference if i get a big brake kit or not, cause my brakes are just gonna lock up anyways right? or will these big brakes prevent the wheels from locking up and help me stop better? I am new to this! Thanks!

 

[MNGSX]

More brake grip can = easier to lock.....

Mostly I'd say it would just take time to get used to..

Like how much pedal input = how much grip...

They will fade less so respones will be more consistent..

 

[spooling95gst]

okay, i get it, but will it help me to stop quicker? wether i have big brakes with no abs or stockers with no abs??

 

[MNGSX]

Yes. You will stop more consitently as well. The increased size of the brake system will allow it to run cooler so brake performance wont fade nearly as bad.

The brakes have more available force to slow the rotor... Which means that as long as you do not break traction you are fine.

 

[hoffman]

agreed. you be brake biased now. your breaks will lock up and you slide on your not so sticky tires. so you may actually lose breaking distance now.

 

[Groomz]

http://www.baer.com/Support/Templates/D082H.pdf

Use this template.

 

[Spartan302]

Unless you do a lot of road racing i doubt you will notice much difference between the 12 and 13'' rotors. A good set of tires and pads will make a big difference. For street use 12'' will be just fine. This has been discussed a lot before, search in other post's too.

Keith

 

[spooling95gst]

Originally posted by Spartan302
Unless you do a lot of road racing i doubt you will notice much difference between the 12 and 13'' rotors. A good set of tires and pads will make a big difference. For street use 12'' will be just fine. This has been discussed a lot before, search in other post's too.

Keith

Wow Keith, your car is sweet, do you have any more pics of your car with those rims on it? cause i would like to see down the side of the car to see how the rims look! and i would also like to see how wide the wheel/tire combo you have is! If its not too much trouble bro, it would be cool if you had any pics! Thanks,
-Ali

 

[Spartan302]

I got some more pics in my gallery, and also i have more on my computer. Just pm your email address.

Keith

 

[B2119]

Yeah, getting the bigger rotors will not make you stop any sooner, it will just help against fade.
The bigger rotor will disipate heat easier and more efficiently than the small rotor. So in repeated stops, you will notice a difference. And i mean repeated 90-20mph stops.

 

[spooling95gst]

Originally posted by B2119
Yeah, getting the bigger rotors will not make you stop any sooner, it will just help against fade.
The bigger rotor will disipate heat easier and more efficiently than the small rotor. So in repeated stops, you will notice a difference. And i mean repeated 90-20mph stops.

Gotcha bro, thanks a lot for everyones replies, very helpful!! I will be putting on the light bronze rx7 rims with 225/50 Nitto 555R's on with the 12" baer kit behind it so it fits!

 

[jpolizo]

Hey there; I've got the Big Brake kit and I love it. You may stop faster; this depends on whether your tires slip. Once the tires slip you aren't stopping very well anymore. Tires are a big part of the stopping equation, it's not just the brakes. I got Bridgestone Potenza S-O3s and they do not slip very easily, so I stop like there's no tomorrow.

As noted, the big rotors also don't fade as much. I drive a lot in the mountains and the stock brakes were useless after the first five minutes or so.

Finally, the bigger rotors and calipers will give you more modulation control. In other words, it's easier to put on a lot of brake without transitioning to a locked condition. You can actually stop a lot faster without ABS than with ABS, it's just a little more work on your part and big rotors and calipers make that a lot easier.

Enjoy your brakes!

 

[4ged4G63]

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[Spartan302]

I dont know who your "pipe down" was geared too. But even if we don't have the baer kit, we can still voice our opinions about rotor size and what we feel would be good for the street/track. Even if we dont' have first hand experience with that kit some of us might know people who do.

Keith

 

[BOMEX DSM]

Originally posted by 4ged4G63
do you have the baer kit? If not pipe down.

12 and 13 inch isn't muh of a difference on paper, but on track the diameter is still 1 inch larger which means the rotor is larger, hence more area. And if we are talking about the pbr track kit then it is a two piston caliper, however, you can choose 12 inches or 13 inches.

I just purchased mine a few weeks ago and put them on, they are bad ass. I had aem rotors before hand with the twin piston stock caliper and I would never do that again, what a pain in the as s it is to grind sh it down so the rotors don't rub. aem needs to call baer and take notes cause the baers had no problem and didn't require to grind anything from "mitsubishis casting irregularities" <-- which is what aem states Also, someone I know just got stoptechs and they didn't fit behind his 18" wheels, , they look cool though, . I don't know why people feel they need a huge brake kit for a car that sees no track use. The Baer pbr track 12 or 13 " is more than enough for street/light track use, if you are having issues with that then Baer suggests a more aggressive pad.

And yes, the 13" set up will fit behind 17 inch wheels it just depends on the offset and wheel design. I am not 100% positive cause my wheels came with my previous car but I think they are +40 or +42 offset. 17x8. There is quite a bit of room in between spokes and caliper.

Also, if you are worried about them not fitting, Baer has you covered, go to their site and you can download a template, you need adobe though.

http://www.baer.com/Support/Templates.aspx

IF you own the kit u will noticed that the 13inch kit doesnt use the whole rotor it doesnt put to use the inner part of the rotor where the hat belongs. As u can see on the picture on my profile u can see the darker area where the caliper clamps and the lighter inner area where it doesnt. The 12inch uses the whole rotor meanwhile making it the same clamping surface of the caliper so the 13 isnt better than the 12 just looks better and prevents u from using 16inch wheels and some 17s. Believe me i have first hand experience with the brakes as i tried to fit some stealth RT/TT wheels and they wouldnt clear the 97-99 GSX wheels however clear both being 17inches. Hope that helps and if u have any other questions feel free to PM me.

 

[4ged4G63]

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