DSS vs Ground Control

[sleeper]

As of yet I've heard that if your gonna get the coilover sleeves then Ground Control is the way to go.... but I've been hearing lots about the DSS coilovers. Anybody got any insight about the two brands????

Thankx inadvance

 

[ImportModder]

This talon guy seems to like them over GC, but considering I never heard of DSS coilovers, I wouldn't suggest them. If someone has more info on them, I would be interested in hearing about it.

 

[candela]

I have only heard good and even better things about the DSS coilovers... they seem to be much better quality IMO

 

[89 mirage evo]

I've never heard of hypercoils. GC have Eibachs and those have been proven to be one of the best. DSS says Hypercoils are the best.

 

[talon614]

I have heard nothing but good on the DSS I would get a set in a min if they had them for 2gs

 

[RamenPride]

Originally posted by 89 mirage evo
I've never heard of hypercoils. GC have Eibachs and those have been proven to be one of the best. DSS says Hypercoils are the best.

from their website:

Q: I am not that familiar with Hypercoils. Who are some of the people using them?
A: Our first customers were Indy teams of which we supply every team. We supply winners in all the top levels of racing around the world including F-1, NASCAR, CART/Indy, ASA, STARS, UMP, IMSA, SCCA Trans-Am, SCORE/HDRA, F-3000, Japanese F-3000 and USAC.

 

[2-0turbo]

Count my vote for DSS. I am quite pleased with my setup.

 

[TurboAWD92GSX]

gee thats a tough one. you have john shepard which is running 9.35 with DSS coilovers ? hummm i wonder which ones i would pick ? ground control or DSS which is proven to handle the 9 second and soon 8 second abuse.

 

[pc talon]

Guys, just so I don't have to redo this entire post, I will just post my link to the write up.
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=106737

 

[Birdman90]

I am using the DSS coilovers with AGX shocks and a ST sway bar. Mike is a super intelegent guy and he knows how to make DSM's handle. I highly reccomend the DSS coilovers.


Justin
90 GSX

 

[neuralracing]

The Tein setup is 1160 I believe now at prostreet... should I get that instead based on this setup costing $900? I do not care for comfort... I want the best handling for as close to 1G as possible.

 

[jtmcinder]

I've never heard of hypercoils. GC have Eibachs and those have been proven to be one of the best.

One of the greatest suspension gurus of all time, the late Carroll Smith, once said: "there are two companies making racing springs ... one makes great springs and the other has a great PR department."

Mike at DSS uses Hypercoils (and not Eibach) because he knows which company is which.

- Jtoby

 

[3literpwr]

Sounds like someone been reading "tune to win".......
I dont really know what SLEEVE is better but I do know that HYPERCO
makes a better spring.... They test each spring and etch the rate in it so you
can get a set with truly equal spring rates......

I Have never been a fan of Carroll and some of his ideas..... He has much experiance I just see his books as outdated..... Granted many of the principals work but Carrol didnt have much to say about shocks or tuning.... Just that he used DBl adj konis....... Not quite the motorsport shock of today...... Still good reading for people....

Larry

 

[PaulPDX]

From the review on talk...

DSS uses lower perches that are adjustable by loosening an allen key in the perch itself. None of that dual locking perch crap.

Nice review, but I have just one bone to pick. What makes a little tiny screw better than the "dual locking perch crap"?

I would think two opposing perches with lots of contact area with the threads on the threaded collar or shock body would be much more secure and bear more load than a little set screw with just one small area of contact to the shock body or collar.

As long as the screw is rated correctly to bear the load it would see, I don't see how it can be better than two opposing perches. It's just two ways to do the same thing. Yeah, it's easier to adjust if you just had to loosen one screw, but spanner wrenches and two perches aren't that hard either.

HKS, H&R, Truechoice, Carerra, and others use opposing perches... I suppose they're crap too?

 

[3literpwr]

Just cheaper to make one perch instead of two I guess..... I like two but if the one is wide I guess its fine....

 

[pc talon]

From the review on talk...



Nice review, but I have just one bone to pick. What makes a little tiny screw better than the "dual locking perch crap"?

I would think two opposing perches with lots of contact area with the threads on the threaded collar or shock body would be much more secure and bear more load than a little set screw with just one small area of contact to the shock body or collar.

As long as the screw is rated correctly to bear the load it would see, I don't see how it can be better than two opposing perches. It's just two ways to do the same thing. Yeah, it's easier to adjust if you just had to loosen one screw, but spanner wrenches and two perches aren't that hard either.

HKS, H&R, Truechoice, Carerra, and others use opposing perches... I suppose they're crap too?

I guess I was a bit harsh. I should have been much more clear regarding the perch setup.
I was probably making that statement to be clear to the guys getting the $99 eBay specials where everything is ill fitting and cheap, and most of those are the locking perches.
I understand what you are saying about load bearing. But the force and contact area of the set screw doesn't need to be that strong, since the load is being pushed down on the threads, I think I am correct on that point. Mine haven't moved a hair in over a year and 5K miles.
I would never call Carerra or H&R crap. I contacted Carerra a few years ago to see if they would be interested in making a setup for us. Needless to say they weren't interested unfortunately.
Thanks for taking the time to read it.