I want Suspension that would kill a BMW

[ian_maham]

I want suspension that would put a BMW to shame. I road in one sometime ago and it was badazz. I've read reviews of tokico, koni, and etc being bad when mixed together cause they don't compliment each other well. What do you have that can take corners well but still rides smooth? Looking for comments from AWD 2g's but I'm not bias.

 

[quayzar590awd]

1g kyb AGX red fully adjustable with eibach springs. smooth when you dial it to be. Corner carver when you dial it to be. Or in between for a good DD ride. I have about $1200 into struts and springs/ full bushing kit, You may want to also invest in a set of good tires, All the suspension in the world wont do jack with 30 dollar k mart tires.

 

[Calan]

I want suspension that would put a BMW to shame.

Then get a BMW or similar modern road car and tweak it.

If you want a really good DSM suspension, do what quayzar590awd said.

 

[ian_maham]

1g kyb AGX red fully adjustable with eibach springs. smooth when you dial it to be. Corner carver when you dial it to be. Or in between for a good DD ride. I have about $1200 into struts and springs, You may want to also invest in a set of good tires, All the suspension in the world wont do jack with 30 dollar k mart tires.

walmart tires...ya i bought my car with some of those on and i couldn't take turns on green lights going 30mph. Even with an awd car. SO, I agree

I do plan on spending about $800 dollars on parts. Would you not recommended buying, maybe used struts and swaybars(Although in excellent condition)? I do plan on buying new shocks and springs.

 

[quayzar590awd]

Personally i was always a bit leery on buying used suspension parts, If you find a nice high quality set slightly used for half the new cost maybe. Its hard for me to say anything about it considering I don't know what kind of driving you plan to do. How aggressive of a ride your looking for and I don't really know much about proven 2g suspension combos . We 1g use a strut and spring, you guys have a strut spring and shock if i am not mistaken. On the sway bars thing. Again personally I don't use sway bars, I like the feel I get w/o them. I don't really need them either I don't go out road racing on the weekend so I cant justify them.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Depends on the BMW. The AGX/Eibach kit won't have you out handling the M3s on the road course anytime soon, 'specially if they're not stock either.

With an $800 budget, there are some decent coilover options out there that will get you closer. Lightening up the car and better tires will help as well.

Start the cheap way by getting rid of the things on the car that you don't need. Next get some good tires. Then, research different coilover setups and make your decision. Megan, K-Sport, D2, and NEX all make great budget kits. Look into JIC and Tein's higher end set-ups if your serious.

The other option is Koni yellows and GCs which will blow the Tokico and AGX kits out of the water from what I have read from some of the more serious competitors on here.

Its really going to come down to lots of research on your part.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Oh i forgot how crappy KYB is thats right, I guess I also forgot that kyb is the largest distributor of suspension parts in the world. I guess thats because they suck so hard that they just keep coming back for more. Oh i also forgot kyb is involved with some of the most elite types of racing and some of the best handling cars and most successful race teams choose kyb year after year after year. Dsm and Mitsubishi drivers in racing make up .005 % of the sport as a whole. Just because a somewhat experienced driver says oh koni rocks kyb in no way means its true. I am going to trust the guys with an international A license that drive the most technologically advanced and best handling cars on the planet when they say "I use kyb because I like to win races.", but what the hell do they know because all the dsm drivers on forums say they suck so it muuuuuust be true.

NO ONE here said KYB was crap so why the heck are you going off? They're great for the money, however, they're are plenty of better handling options, albeit, for more money.

So, you think the AGX is a better shock than the Koni Yellow? Why?

Plus, I didn't think he was asking for a budget shock/spring to make his DSM handle better, which the Tokico and and AGX/eibach combos do a great job of... he asked for a kit that would put a BMW to shame, did he not?

Anyway, I didn't post in this thread to argue with you, I don't know WHY you're shoving that KYB crap down my throat. I had a KYB set-up on my TSI and loved it, but a friend had a Koni-GC setup that would out handle my car any day of the week.... again, his cost more.

 

[quayzar590awd]

I did not go off in the slightest most minuscule way even for half a second. I went on your comment of the "serious" racers on here comment. I paid good money for a great name that is synonymous for quality and results where it counts. The opinion of a few people automatically over rides any other opinion or fact on this site thats all. no one went off about anything I just forgot how bad my stuff sucks especially when adjusted correctly. Then I forgot that kyb is NO 1 in the world because the product they sell does not impress dsm owners. I am going to go light my agx's on fire now because they are no good, Thanks for the heads up on that. I guess thats also why I blast Stangs and vetts and g35's and twin turbo 350z and rb26 240 sx on our local twisty ass hill_billy back roads.

 

[Rob10_99]

I would suggest a stiff swaybar front and back. Paired with good rubber I don't think you can go wrong with any spring/shock combo imo.

 

[maximumbob]

DGs Autocross Secrets aka Autocross to Win

Grab a beverage and start reading.

For the record I went with koni yellows with GC coilovers with custom spring rates. It handles night and day difference from stock. Honestly, tires will make a significant improvement as well. There is plenty to read on SCCA forums and Grassroots Motorsports recently had a street tire shootout with some great information.

 

[quayzar590awd]

I am not a suspension engineer or innovator, I have no idea why they are better or worse or more expensive or less expensive. I dont know why they sell more crap than anyone else i dont know why a crap load of race teams use them and win a lot. I dont have the answers. I could not tell you if kyb made koni or w/e. I am not rain man i dont know if the kyb agx has 1.2037834 Milli meter gas operating tube tilting bolt super blue blade torsion adjuster cross draft stabilization chromatics. or if koni has 1.280734 super hippopotamus thermo nuclear cross contamination French fry valves. I DONT KNOWWWWWWWWWW sorry I even said anything

 

[quayzar590awd]

DGs Autocross Secrets aka Autocross to Win

Grab a beverage and start reading.

For the record I went with koni yellows with GC coilovers with custom spring rates. It handles night and day difference from stock. Honestly, tires will make a significant improvement as well. There is plenty to read on SCCA forums and Grassroots Motorsports recently had a street tire shootout with some great information.

Sweet thanks suspension is not my strong point...... DANG this is good reading very informative thanks again

 

[1gengsxz3]

no one said this i dont think so i will throw it out there but i would get all new bushings aswell. i mean it will ride a little harsher but with good bushings and set off springs and struts the car handle awesomely. if you have the money do full coilovers and all the bushings and you will have a sweet ride. maybe even throw a rear sway bar in it for even better control

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Yeah, contrary to what some would choose, AGX's are not even a consideration if I had a goal of out handling a BMW.

For anywhere even remotely close to $800 bucks, I'd consider Koni Sports + GC's. The ksport/D2/Megan etc etc setups will do fine too, I'm sure.
You'll also want to invest in stiffer sway bars and look into poly bushings. Also, try to avoid the temptation to drop your car 2" or more, you'll likely only hurt handling while you're busy looking badass.

I own Tokico Illuminas with Eibach Prokits, and I'd never make that purchase again. They're fine for a DD, but useless when pushed hard. And Illuminas are generally accepted as superior to AGX's, from my readings, at least their track record is much better when concerning reliability. But they still fall short. Way too much rebound and not enough dampening.

Don't get me started on the springs..

 

[quayzar590awd]

no one said this i dont think so i will throw it out there but i would get all new bushings aswell. i mean it will ride a little harsher but with good bushings and set off springs and struts the car handle awesomely. if you have the money do full coilovers and all the bushings and you will have a sweet ride. maybe even throw a rear sway bar in it for even better control

good call, I have poly bushing/insert kit i totally did not even think about it or think about mentioning it until you chimed in.

 

[Calan]

I have poly bushing/insert kit i totally did not even think about it or think about mentioning it until you chimed in.

That's cause you were too busy being defensive/sarcastic on the KYB bandwagon.

I have KYB AGX's/Eibach Prokits with a complete poly bushing set...and they've served me well for light/moderate handling duty...never pushed them hard though, so I have no opinion compared to the big boys.

Compared to stock though, the car is GLUED to the road on spirited on-ramp excursions.

EDIT:

I also have adjustable upper rear arms and adjustable camber bolts on the front.

 

[joe sobo]

I am not a suspension engineer or innovator, I have no idea why they are better or worse or more expensive or less expensive. I dont know why they sell more crap than anyone else i dont know why a crap load of race teams use them and win a lot. I dont have the answers. I could not tell you if kyb made koni or w/e. I am not rain man i dont know if the kyb agx has 1.2037834 Milli meter gas operating tube tilting bolt super blue blade torsion adjuster cross draft stabilization chromatics. or if koni has 1.280734 super hippopotamus thermo nuclear cross contamination French fry valves. I DONT KNOWWWWWWWWWW sorry I even said anything

i was just reading one of your other arguments on another topic....................................you are one funny ass dude. let me tell you

 

[crimsondragon]

I'm running GC/Konis. With max stiffness, on all 4 corners, the car feels amazing and super responsive. I'm also getting thrown side to side instead of upward. It's a harsh ride though in the city but worth it on the twisty highway.

 

[asian312]

For street suspension I would recommend Koni and H&Rs.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/238895-kosei-k1-ts-17x9.html

 

[ian_maham]

Dang! I was for a few hours and a war happend.

So I'm def. gona get some stiff sway bars and some front and reat struts. I may need to get some new shocks cause my stock ones feel a little harsh. Do you guys reccomend just getting coilovers instead of shocks and springs?

 

[ian_maham]

Dang! I was gone for a few hours and a war happend.

So I'm def. gona get some stiff sway bars and some front and reat struts. I may need to get some new shocks cause my stock ones feel a little harsh. Do you guys reccomend just getting coilovers instead of shocks and springs?

 

[Calan]

See what happens when you leave the house with the kids unsupervised?

You're asking a question that has no "correct" answers or suggestions. It completely depends on what you want out of the car and your budget. For me, the KYB AGX/Eibach Prokit/Poly bushings work great. The next person is gonna say that sucks and you need coil-overs.

Think about your goals and budget, read all the threads on the different setups, and then pull the trigger.

BTW - Like it or not, until you start really throwing the car around...your wheel size (i.e. tire sidewall) and tire compound are gonna make a more substantial difference per a given $$$ amount, especially for a DD...assuming your stock suspension is in good shape.

I also just noticed you said "can take corners well but still rides smooth". Achieving good handling always involves a trade off in ride comfort, unless you have a car with computerized active suspensions (think Z-06, Ferrari, etc). For us mere mortals with DSM's, you pick the point between the two that you want, and shoot for that. (yet another reason I like the combo I run).

 

[quayzar590awd]

That's cause you were too busy being defensive/sarcastic on the KYB bandwagon.

I have KYB AGX's/Eibach Prokits with a complete poly bushing set...and they've served me well for light/moderate handling duty...never pushed them hard though, so I have no opinion compared to the big boys.

Compared to stock though, the car is GLUED to the road on spirited on-ramp excursions.

You got me I have pushed mine to the absolute limit and no they are not the best money can buy but will they hold the road WELL, YES I have bought other brands several times but for some reason I like the feel of the kyb's The only other thing I would use it Tein and bilstein. But they cost a hell of a lot more and you sacrifice some ride quality while your not hammering the dog piss out of the car around corners.

 

[KFT0001]

I second the Koni/H&R combo for street. I've run combinations of Illumina's, AGX's, GC's, and Eibach springs over the years and the Koni/H&R setup is the best I've had. It is firm, but not jarring. It is not easily unsettled over rough roads.

 

[eclipsh]

Think about your goals and budget, read all the threads on the different setups, and then pull the trigger.

BTW - Like it or not, until you start really throwing the car around...your wheel size (i.e. tire sidewall) and tire compound are gonna make a more substantial difference per a given $$$ amount, especially for a DD...assuming your stock suspension is in good shape.

Yeah, I'm going to go with the do lots of research comment too. I ran KYB AGX on my 1g with a set of Eibach pro kit springs first and then with a set of GC 450/375 springs. With the pro kit the ride was nice and it cornered fairly well but with more body roll than I liked. With the GC's the AGX's couldn't keep up with the stiffer springs and the ride was very rough but it handled very well.

After several readings DG's Autocross site linked above I opted to go with a set of Koni Sport (yellow) shocks and another set of GC's with softer springs on my Galant build. I actually just got them in the mail tonight from another site member. I found a killer deal used and will throw them on tomorrow morning. I'll give you my opinion of ride quality after that vs the 1g setup I had. I don't think anything else was left in classifieds for 2g Koni's but be patient and you can find a great deal. I got my GC's for my 1g for under $100 shipped off eBay just because I was willing to wait for a deal.