In need of Transmission experts(fun project/question)

[shadow001dsm]

Alright Gentlemen I have an interesting delima, I have been using a a non-turbo gs transmition on my car as its what i had after doing the non-turbo swap to the turbo. Now the problem is the gs is broken pretty much and ive run out of money. So heres what im thinking, i have the stock gst transmition from my 94 7-bolt turbo first gen that is a donor car i bought. the clutch and flywheel wont bolt up to my 6 bolt obviously, and i dont have a 6 bolt set up for the turbo tranny.

After reading through the manual a few times i realized that the stamping number were the same on both trannys. the f5m33. What im wanting to try is the just swap the trany's out. but i dont know if the splines and the imput shaft are going to be the same and if there different can i take the interanals from the gst tranny and swap the needed parts from it into the gs transmition? What are your guys thoughts on this.

 

[19Eclipse90]

You need to know exactly what transmissions you are dealing with. If they are both truly "F5M33" transmissions, it means they will have one of the following codes and that you weren't using a non-turbo transmission like you thought:
KF5M33-2-SPZS (1990)
KF5M33-2-SPZV (1991-1992)
KF5M33-2-SPQV (1993-1994)

So what are the transmission codes you have?

 

[bastarddsm]

The input shaft splines will be the same, but you will have to run a turbo clutch and flywheel with the turbo trans. the turbo clutch will work for you, but you will need a 6 bolt turbo fwd flywheel.

don't try and swap internals, a n/t trans and turbo are very differen't ( assuming you actually have a n/t trans, it would be a f5m22)

The issue you might run into is the 1gb cars have axles with smaller splines where they go in the trans. Meaning a 1ga trans is not compatible with 1gb axles. you can put the early axles in a late car to fix this problem tho.

 

[shadow001dsm]

The transmission thats in the car now is a KF5M222VPZV RT8447, and the tranny i need to use is a spqv (93-94), the problem is i cant afford a new clutch and flywheel for the turbo transmission, thats why i was wondering if internals can be swap so i can still use the n/a clutch.

In have axles for both transmissions as well so axles are not a problem, just the clutch, im pretty sure the inner or outer race bearing are shot. can i swap just the race bearings.

 

[e85_4g63]

If you can't afford to do it right, how are you going to afford to do it twice? Just trying to get the point across to not half A stuff. Borrow the money to rebuild your non turbo trans, or order the correct parts to install the 93-94 turbo trans.

 

[shadow001dsm]

I understand that point very well, but seeing as how im trying to get a job, and support a family its hard to get money without a job, seeing as how this is my only vehicle for my 18 month old son and wife, my opptions are limited, hence why im seeing what my options are. if i could get the money and do it right, i would in a heart beat. but since i cant im trying to find solutions to the problem with what i have. thank you for the constructive critizism but really not needed. im trying to see if some of my buddies have the flywheel and clutch set up, but im not having any luck. so if anyone has any ideas on how this could be done then great and if it just cant be done then well it just cant be done, and im SOL.

 

[twicks69]

Then sell your vehicle and get a more reliable vehicle than a DSM. This is not a family car, nor a reliable car. It is a car that will make you broke, and divorced.

Go get a honda or a toyota or anything more reliable. Heck, bus pass works, is cheaper, and always on time. You won't lose a job from being late with a broke-down vehicle either.

Seriously, You can use any 1991-1994 F5M33 transmission that has matching size axles, you still need a turbo clutch and flywheel. A F5M22 transmission is like a $50 trans and should be easy to find at any junkyard. Throw another in, and SELL THE CAR.

 

[shadow001dsm]

thanks for the help. car will never be sold, lets leave it at that it has sentimental value. so i take it no one actually wants to take a wack at the real question, instead nit picking is what i get.

 

[Murdog]

The questions you posed about the "transmitions" were answered. You can't mix and match internal parts.

 

[shadow001dsm]

Ok so riddle me this batmen. are the imput shafts between the 33 and the 22 transmissions the same?

 

[e85_4g63]

Ok so riddle me this batmen. are the imput shafts between the 33 and the 22 transmissions the same?

No. (I've converted my share of 1g cars to turbo, they are not the same). I'm not trying to put you down or anything like that. Sorry, my post may have came off as rude. But like Tim said, at this point in your life, the car needs to take the back burner. Are they're any "performance" parts you could sell to get some quick cash to get a turbo flywheel and clutch? I have an Exedy stage 1 clutch and FWD turbo Fidanza lightweight flywheel I would be willing to sell for $200 shipped.

 

[shadow001dsm]

The car is all stock minus the 16g, thats it nothing else. i have a few random misc parts like and old 14b that needs a couple of seels but it has no shaft play and i replaced the bearing in it and most of the seals. i also have a 2g mass, small stuff like that nothing big. i was thinking on trying trade an hpi nitro mini truck for a clutch idk though i dont know if anyone would trade for a remote controlled 4.1 big block hpi car. i have a spare head, but it needs love. i have things thats are left overs nothing to valuable. im kinda stuck in a pickle. me and my wife considered selling it but we misplaced the title with all the moveing around we have had to do. and cant afford a duplicate title. Im in one of those spots in life that are not fun, thats why ive been looking at all options.

Believe me i know dsm are not the greatest, but its all i got and it where a lot of money went and there no use in wasting the spent money to only get maybe half of what has been put into it, thats why she told me not to sell it. Im just gonna leave my life story there, not one for sobbing on the net, . Everything falls into place someday, and thats all that matters. Thank you for the help its been much appreciated. and as for the set up if i had 200 $ id be getting it now. all i have are small things to trade really.

 

[bastarddsm]

Ok so riddle me this batmen. are the imput shafts between the 33 and the 22 transmissions the same?

The input shaft splines will be the same, but you will have to run a turbo clutch and flywheel with the turbo trans. the turbo clutch will work for you, but you will need a 6 bolt turbo fwd flywheel.

don't try and swap internals, a n/t trans and turbo are very differen't ( assuming you actually have a n/t trans, it would be a f5m22)

The issue you might run into is the 1gb cars have axles with smaller splines where they go in the trans. Meaning a 1ga trans is not compatible with 1gb axles. you can put the early axles in a late car to fix this problem tho.

No. (I've converted my share of 1g cars to turbo, they are not the same). I'm not trying to put you down or anything like that. Sorry, my post may have came off as rude. But like Tim said, at this point in your life, the car needs to take the back burner. Are they're any "performance" parts you could sell to get some quick cash to get a turbo flywheel and clutch? I have an Exedy stage 1 clutch and FWD turbo Fidanza lightweight flywheel I would be willing to sell for $200 shipped.

As far as you can see from outside the trans, the input shaft is identical. Meaning a n/t disc will go on a turbo input shaft, and vise versa. The problem is the n/t flywheel is smaller diameter than the turbo flywheel. The starter would not engage. You could physically install the turbo trans with a n/t clutch. The car would move and shift fine, provided you got the clutch adjustment right. You would have to push start the car, as the starter wouldn't work.

On your n/t trans (f5m22) if its allready making noise, its junk. A new bearing won't save it. Besides that, almost nothing inside is interchangeable. One of the shift forks could be used in a f5m33, but its not right. I've had them apart side by side, you can also verify this with caps.

Finally, all you need is a 6bolt turbo fwd flywheel, those are almost throwaway items. If I still had one I'd give it to ya. You should be able to find one for next to nothing. You can use the turbo clutch from the 7 bolt stuff. Look on your local boards. Also make sure you still have the turbo specific shield that goes between the block and trans. The starter holes in the n/t one won't line up with the turbo trans. You will also need the dowel pin for the crank that only turbo cars have. I have run with out it in a pinch, but its better to have it.

This thread should have been done in like 3 posts. All your questions are answered, no go find a flywheel for cheap, or put the n/t trans on and bump start it. jeez.

 

[shadow001dsm]

Thank you very much for the info, i sold some of my spare parts and came up with some money for the clutch and flywheel, im just a little away from affording one right now. consider this thread resolved. thank everyone so much.