me vs h22 DelSol

[zero2sixty]

hey i went to school yesterday day and this kid i know said he wanted to race me he's the one with the delslow with the h22 swap and i was wondering if i coul beet him he just has bolt on mods and a v-afc about 210-230hp
i have

90 gsx

frankenstein stage 2 turbo
ported exhaust housing
ported 02 housing
custom 3 in down pipe straight back
n1 muffler
2gen maf
2gen ported manifold
spearco fmic
custom intercooler piping straight into intake manifold
turboxs rfl
680 injectors
255lb fuel pump
s-afc (-15)fuel correction
35mm tial external wastgate
profec-b lo(9lbs) hi(18LBs pump gas)
a-piller(boost,oil,egt)gauges
greddy egt
rebuilt(stock)motor around 75000 on it

were probably going to be rolling so who do you think will win or schould i ask by how many car link :thumb

 

[Rogue_Ant]

As long as he isn't squeezing or turbo, you shouldn't have much trouble.

Rogue

 

[zero2sixty]

nope not doing either all motor

i'll be running 18 pounds so

 

[wabdlninja]

You should walk him with no problems.

 

[QuickerDSM]

Did you even really have to ask this question? I mean, you already have a severe HP advantage right off the bat, and unless he's SEVERELY modded, I doubt he's pushing 200hp to the wheels, not to mention your traction advantage...... You'll not only beat him, you'll destroy him.

The question really should have read "how many buslengths can I beat this guy by?".

Mike

 

[TurboSpoolinIns]

Actually its all dependent on driver and tuning. If your car is tuned like crap, be aware you can get walked. If he's a good driver with DR's, he could pull high 13s at high 90's mph's. Realistically if your car is tuned w/ no issues, I'd say it's a peice of cake, but I dont know your car and how you drive. There's some really bad awd drivers out there who can't pull 1.9 60's to save their lives. I s'pose you should at least keep up with him because even on a bad tune, all you'll need is about 240 whp to keep up with his car(that'll get you high 90's traps). Also, at most, he's probably pushing 180 whp if he's got a decent H22 in there.

 

[zero2sixty]

well i hope its tuned right i mean its only been tuned by the shop that but in the setup so on the s-afc i'm running -15 on pump gas that is also at hi and lo throttle i have a egt and i have never gotten to 9 so i guess the way i'm running i am not running lean but i don't want to run rich i ther so what do you think where can i tune it and if i can do it myself what do i do

 

[sidoze]

if you had all of those mods would you really need to ask?

front mount, 680s, frank 2?

sounds like an easy 300hp car to me...a ported, milled, cammed and all that crap h22 wont put out more than 220 on pump gas. nore will it have any sort of topend good enough to touch that setup.

 

[x628x]

Originally posted by QuickerDSM
Did you even really have to ask this question? I mean, you already have a severe HP advantage right off the bat, and unless he's SEVERELY modded, I doubt he's pushing 200hp to the wheels, not to mention your traction advantage...... You'll not only beat him, you'll destroy him.

The question really should have read "how many buslengths can I beat this guy by?".

Mike

which h22 is it? because a stock h22a from a prelude-s pushes 220 does he have the s or normal h22 which pushes 200

 

[sidoze]

have you ever seen them dynoed...

h22 block, h23 head, milled, 4->1 header, etc

dynoed 189 hp

this was on importbuilder's top of the line dynojet

friend's hatch with the accord eurospec tranny

evil little car.

 

[x628x]

oh well im not the biggest fan of hondas so i dont care to much

 

[Andy5]

i think it will be close if u go from a roll, them dol sels are light you know ... but i think you can walk him. Take him from a stop, all he can do is spin spin spin like us FWD and prays he graps traction.

 

[13secGST]

Originally posted by sidoze
have you ever seen them dynoed...

h22 block, h23 head, milled, 4->1 header, etc

dynoed 189 hp

this was on importbuilder's top of the line dynojet

friend's hatch with the accord eurospec tranny

evil little car.

why the hell would somebody go with H22block H23 head...that is using the 2.2L block and Non Vtec head. The smart guys go with the H23 block and H22 head...which is 2.3L block and VTEC head. They aren't really much NA...but Turbo'd...and they can be very potent. Think of the H23/22head as a 2.3L 4g63t The H22/23 is one of the few decent Honda motors.

 

[13secGST]

ohh...and yeh...you should take him...I race an H22 5g Accord before...not with all my current mods but I did have Big16g and FMIC...no injectors, tuning system, DP, and had fuel cut like a *(&#%. And I still took him no problem. I realize "Of the Sun"s are much lighter than Accords...but you will have no problem...shouldn't from a roll either.

 

[sidoze]

backwards?

cuz i know it has vtech...haha...oh god does that POS have vtech

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

dont sleep on the del slow...very light like the crx. Dont worry about the h22 (which is the vtec model) if it had the h23 (the non vtec model) then Id worry they have tourque and mod very easily. with a few mods a h23 in del sol skin will haul a$$ imho. but with a few mods to a dsm youll be with him and but the 22 dont worry about him

 

[zero2sixty]

Man i was so exited about racing because of what you all said and i got there and his freind was there waiting for me so i pull up and i was like so were is he and he was like he can't show up tonight so race me :thumbdown :laugh: so i was like no man thats cool and then i laphed and drove away.
His friend has a 99 civic coupe dohc vtec.and if you all were wondering its just a h22 i don't know which onebut it is a vtec and a vtec controller set at a low rpm like 4000 or something,intake and ehaust. So the next day i was like i thought you said that you had like 200hp and he said that i miss understood him and that he thought he had about 200hp he hasen't dynoed it so he wasn't for sure:thumbdown and i was like and walked away (he hasn't admited why he couldn't make it)

 

[skier_du]

Originally posted by DSMeclipse4G63
dont sleep on the del slow...very light like the crx. Dont worry about the h22 (which is the vtec model) if it had the h23 (the non vtec model) then Id worry they have tourque and mod very easily. with a few mods a h23 in del sol skin will haul a$$ imho. but with a few mods to a dsm youll be with him and but the 22 dont worry about him

actually, bc the h22 is more efficient, it actully puts out more torque than the bigger h23. don't underestimate that engine. a heavier prelude with i/h/e can pull mid 14's with a descent driver. and yes, they can make an easy 220 hp on pump with just bolt ons, maybe not to the wheels easily, though. its not just a horsepower battle, but power to weight ratio and driver skill. but with your mods, if well tuned and a descent driver, you should win if he doesn't have much for mods.

 

[Andy5]

h22 in civic hatches can pull a low 13 w/ just bolt ons. Don't under estimate it, its basiclly a FWD DSM, can't grab tractoin in low gears on street tires. Make sure you don't race in his power band. you might lose on a roll if you can't drive good.

btw H22 is better than H23. h23/vtec is a different story, but overall h22 is a better motor, other wise people would be swaping h23 into there cars. I don't think honda would put a cheap motor into there high trim car IE "SI Prelude = H22vtec. Std Prelude = H23" Ya it has .1 more displacement, but .1 isn't' much if u compair the ##. Its like the LS vs GSR, GSR is better motor stock, but when u drop the GSR head on the LS, you get a nice power curve, but your motor won't last long. It costs an arm and a leg to make LS/VTEC and h23/VTEC's to run a while.

By the way it looks you should win but like i said, my friend has a low 12 second WS6 6spd, and raced a fairly stock h22 hatch w/ cams/cam gears and good tuning, the hatch kept up at about 120 then they both shut down. when i mean kept up i mean door to door. not front bumper to rear bumper . Good luck, do it in a safe area though we wouldn't want you to be come another satistic.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

the h23 imho is much better....I test drove both the 22 and the 23 and the 23 has much better torque than the 22. Yes the 22 has 2 more torque but its at 1k rpm more and on top of that the car is 100 pounds heavier. drive them both and you qwill clearly see the 23 is much more torquey and pulls alot harder than the 22

All in all its would be a close race btwn the two preludes, all i was saying a 23 would be the same as a 22 if not better in a race, but on the street the 23 beats the hell outta it in overall drivability.

heres the link for my specs:
http://www.autotrader.com/research/compare/index.jtmpl?restype=used

 

[Andy5]

Eh, from what i have seen in RL, H22 has more top end oriented *spellcheck please* yes the h23 puts the tq earlier. OH well don't really care i never liked the lude anyways.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Im just going from driving and specs...I was a big honda fan and i had a civic that woulda keep up with alot of the stock turbos around here. I was gonna orginally trade the civic in for a 95 prelude...but 6 months later I opted for my dream car..a DSM

 

[skier_du]

Originally posted by DSMeclipse4G63
All in all its would be a close race btwn the two preludes, all i was saying a 23 would be the same as a 22 if not better in a race, but on the street the 23 beats the hell outta it in overall drivability.

heres the link for my specs:
http://www.autotrader.com/research/compare/index.jtmpl?restype=used

eh, well, I've raced both h23 and h22 preludes on the street in my father's 94 accord ex sohc v-tec. the h23 was modded with i/h/e and the h22 was stock. the h23 could barely pull on me and the h22 spanked me. say what you want, the h22 is faster. h23 could barely hit 15 seconds in 4th gen ludes and h22 could hit very low 15s, of course driveres being good and equally skilled.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

wow I beat a sh with i/h/e and safc when I only had a k and n, if your talking about the 95'sthey weigh then same as our cars, have less hp and much less torque and the 22 only revs 800 rpm more...so you should spank them when your stock when they are modded.

 

[skier_du]

actually, the 95 Lude only weighs a little over 2900#s, so they are lighter than our cars