FWD track times with T28

[GreddySpyder]

I plan on getting an upgraded turbo pretty soon, most likely the T28 killer. I would just like to see what 1/8th and 1/4 mile times FWD 2g DSMs were running with a T28 and T28 killer before i buy this turbo. Please list your mods along with your times. Again, please only FWD owners respond, no bragging from AWD owners because your times won't really apply for FWD. Thanks.

 

[larryd]

FP28 (22psi) & 116 Octane Fuel

Greddy FMIC, TRE Ported O2 Housing, RC Engineering 550s, B&M FPR & Gauge, 3KGTVR4 Fuel Pump, Injen Intake, Greddy Upper & Lower IC Piping, Greddy S Type BOV, Apexi N1 Exhaust, Apexi Front Pipe & Cat Bypass, Magnecor 8.5mm Wires, NGK Plugs, Greddy Profec B Boost Controller

60 330 1/8 mph 1000 1/4 mph
2.344 6.157 9.144 84.60 11.618 13.719 109.46

 

[GreddySpyder]

That's a pretty impressive setup. How does the FP28 compare to a T28 Killer? I am confused about your 1/8th mile time though, having only been to the track twice, I have pulled a best 1/8th mile of 9.432 @ 72.45mph with a horrible 2.652 60 ft time (the track was damp and freezing cold), that was at the track in irvington (people say this track is 60ft shorter than the one in atmore?). At the track in Atmore my best was a 9.848 @ 74.362 with a 2.386 60ft time (hot and humid day). I guess being FWD you probably got crazy wheelspin to begin with like I do, with an 84.60 trap speed I'm sure mid to high 8s were possible with better traction. I guess you don't have to worry about that now that you bought an AWD though, congrats! I just hope to be in the mid to low 13s (12s with slicks) with the T28 killer after upgrading the fuel system.

 

[SD GST]

I would like to see some other times on this too. Seeing LarryD's times kinda dissapoints me, especially with that much boost and on race gas. I am planning on getting the Big T-28 and I was expecting to run low 13's with the same setup as LarryD. Seeing this discourages me, and makes me think I should get the 16G. My Goal is to hit Low 13's and basically leave it there for a while, until I can get a second car.

Are low 13's possible with the T-28?? With or without Slicks..

 

[SPEEDY]

There is a times list over at DSMTALK.com in there racing forums for upgraded turbo's. They have several time slips for the Big28, along with all the other turbos that are out there. Larry's time is on that list as well if I'm not mistaken.

 

[CBgst]

FP Big28 @ 19psi w/110 oct

Cheap filter w/adapter, evo o2, custom 3in exhaust, RC 550s, Walbro 255, SX afpr, VP fmic, AFC, uicp w/ bov, I think that's it

60---2.272
330---6.011
1/8---9.007 @ 83.21 mph
1000---11.514
1/4---13.619 @ 102.59 mph

This was on a factory clutch that was pretty much shot and OK tuning.
I think low 13's is definitly obtainable with fwd but a the very least I think you will need drag radials and some way to control wheel hop.

 

[GreddySpyder]

I am so confused now, I thought that a T28 killer was supposed to flow better than a 16G. What cfms are the T28, T28 killer, 16G, and big 16G flowing? Which is ultimately capable of more power?

 

[spcebrd]

Check out forced performance website. they have timeslips sent to the on their different turbos. hope that helps

 

[larryd]

is low 13s possible on a T28 series turbo.. yes its possible.. I would have hit low 13s with it eventually.. Its all in driving man. My launch wasnt all that bad on the 13.7 run but I spun 1-2 pretty bad which is why I ran a 9.1 1/8th.. besides hasnt anyone ever told you that mph is what you should base power in a FWD off of and almost 110mph with a T28 series turbo is pretty impressive if you ask me.

 

[DSMJim]

Yeah, 13.7 @ 110 shows there is a serious traction problem happening there. 110mph should be good for a mid to high 12 second pass in a FWD car.

If you could pull a 2.0 or better 60ft time the ET's would come, however with no traction there might as well be no power...

 

[Spidey]

Originally posted by GreddySpyder
I am so confused now, I thought that a T28 killer was supposed to flow better than a 16G. What cfms are the T28, T28 killer, 16G, and big 16G flowing? Which is ultimately capable of more power?

The FP Big28 is different from the T28 Killer, the FP has a ported T25 compressor cover, and the T28 Killer uses a new Garrett. I couldn't tell you what kind of difference it makes but I'm sure it helps having a bigger compressor cover.

 

[99AllTurbo]

I know you were inquiring about the Big28 but as a reference I'll post my Big16g time:

TRE Big16g, 550's, UICP, SAFC, Walbro 255, 2.5" DP (no cat), Thermal 3' cat back, ported 02, ported exh manifold, ACT 2600. That's it. Stk SMIC.

22psi, 110oct. // 13.7@107 // 2.4 60ft.

Forget about times. That's up to you the driver. The more power you put down, those 2.6 60ft times will only get worse (giving you a worse 1/4 mile time as well) unless you are on slicks or drag radials.

LarryD's 110mph is good for 12's but DR's or slicks are needed. Look at the mph, it'll give away the kind of power the turbo and supporting mods are putting out.

Good luck.

 

[airbrat]

what the hell??? all these high 13's, honestly I was expecting better results than this. This makes me even more happy that I bought my 14B for only $100.

With only moderate tuning a 14B will hit those same numbers all day long! Not to mention I'm also gonna port the living sh$T outta it once it gets here.

I'm disappointed guys. I was really expecting to see better numbers.

[FLAMESUIT ACTIVATED]

 

[airbrat]

Originally posted by 99AllTurbo
The more power you put down, those 2.6 60ft times will only get worse (giving you a worse 1/4 mile time as well)

I have to disagree. That's nothing a dual stage boost controller can't fix

 

[SPEEDY]

Originally posted by airbrat
what the hell??? all these high 13's, honestly I was expecting better results than this. This makes me even more happy that I bought my 14B for only $100.

With only moderate tuning a 14B will hit those same numbers all day long! Not to mention I'm also gonna port the living sh$T outta it once it gets here.

I'm disappointed guys. I was really expecting to see better numbers.

[FLAMESUIT ACTIVATED]

You may get the ET's but not the traps. No way! Theres been T-25's hitting 13.7 to 13.9 ET's on 2g fwd's. But... no T-25 will ever hit 110 traps. If you plan on hitting 110 traps with your $100 14b you had better get yourself a 1g tb, 1g intake manifold, 1g higher flowing head, and some great tuning to go along. Without these mods you will never see 110 traps out of your $100 14b. On a side note... there is a guy that goes by Hor over at DSMTALK.com that has hit 12.4's with 109 traps in his 2g "AWD" with a supra side mount. So it's fair to say if an awd can trap right at the 110 mark with a Big28, then a properly well tuned 2g fwd should atleast be good for 111 to 112 traps with SUPPORTING mods IMO. A fwd with the same mods as a 2g awd will usually trap several mph higher. Look at the times list over at DSMTALK.com in the racing forums under times with upgraded turbos. You will see how well the Big28 has come along in JUST a year.

 

[secondgen_t]

FPBIG28, ported(@21psi) running 103 octane

Greddy FMIC, FP ported & dumped O2 housing & exhaust manifold, 3" turbo back system, upgraded fuel pump, RC 550's, S-AFC, Injen intake, skunk coil-overs and tokico adjustable(setting 3 on front, 4 on the back), welded diff(finally replacing with a Quaiffe this month) and every other basic upgrade.

60ft 2.14
1/8 ET 8.504
1/8MPH 87.54
1/4 ET 12.95
1/4 ET 109.91

Once I get a job again I'll be going back to better that time.

Frank

 

[SPEEDY]

Originally posted by secondgen_t
FPBIG28, ported(@21psi) running 103 octane

Greddy FMIC, FP ported & dumped O2 housing & exhaust manifold, 3" turbo back system, upgraded fuel pump, RC 550's, S-AFC, Injen intake, skunk coil-overs and tokico adjustable(setting 3 on front, 4 on the back), welded diff(finally replacing with a Quaiffe this month) and every other basic upgrade.

60ft 2.14
1/8 ET 8.504
1/8MPH 87.54
1/4 ET 12.95
1/4 ET 109.91

Once I get a job again I'll be going back to better that time.

Frank

Damm... those are some awesome numbers for a 2g fwd. Thumbs up Frank!

 

[99AllTurbo]

Originally posted by airbrat
what the hell??? all these high 13's, honestly I was expecting better results than this. This makes me even more happy that I bought my 14B for only $100.

With only moderate tuning a 14B will hit those same numbers all day long! Not to mention I'm also gonna port the living sh$T outta it once it gets here.

I'm disappointed guys. I was really expecting to see better numbers.

[FLAMESUIT ACTIVATED]

Speak from experience bro, no bench racing please.
My times were on Kuhmo street tires. Again, let's see what you run on non-drags tires and then talk.

As for the dual stage boost controllers, never used one, and don't know anyone that has run a great time because of one. Maybe you do.

Good luck with your 14b anyways, they have potential.

 

[mrfloppy]

Originally posted by DSMJim

however with no traction there might as well be no power...

exactly!

 

[ImportModder]

Originally posted by secondgen_t
FPBIG28, ported(@21psi) running 103 octane

Greddy FMIC, FP ported & dumped O2 housing & exhaust manifold, 3" turbo back system, upgraded fuel pump, RC 550's, S-AFC, Injen intake, skunk coil-overs and tokico adjustable(setting 3 on front, 4 on the back), welded diff(finally replacing with a Quaiffe this month) and every other basic upgrade.

60ft 2.14
1/8 ET 8.504
1/8MPH 87.54
1/4 ET 12.95
1/4 ET 109.91

Once I get a job again I'll be going back to better that time.

Frank

Wow, I know have a light at the end of my tunnel.

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by secondgen_t
FPBIG28, ported(@21psi) running 103 octane

Greddy FMIC, FP ported & dumped O2 housing & exhaust manifold, 3" turbo back system, upgraded fuel pump, RC 550's, S-AFC, Injen intake, skunk coil-overs and tokico adjustable(setting 3 on front, 4 on the back), welded diff(finally replacing with a Quaiffe this month) and every other basic upgrade.

60ft 2.14
1/8 ET 8.504
1/8MPH 87.54
1/4 ET 12.95
1/4 ET 109.91

Once I get a job again I'll be going back to better that time.

Frank

im confsued.. you have a welded diff in your tranny on a FWD?

 

[twistedtsi]

right im also confused on the welding diff?

 

[secondgen_t]

im confsued.. you have a welded diff in your tranny on a FWD? [/B][/QUOTE]

I destroyed my front diff a while back and Brian at FP had a welded front diff. laying around. I couldn't afford a Quaife at the time and thought it would be a good idea. At first I was able to deal with it but now I can't wait to get rid of it. I can't stand taking tight turns with this thing. It also likes eating cv joints.

 

[larryd]

i was about to say, doesnt sound like itd be very good for a daily driver type car but im sure it helps alot at the track. So just so people on here dont get all hyped or anything, that welded difference would be like night and day vs an open diff.

 

[secondgen_t]

If you're FWD, an LSD is a must if you want to push high hp and put it to the ground. A friend of mine(fwd also) has the fist version of the T28 and his best time to date is a 12.96 with a Quaife. It's expensive but well worth it. You have all the advantages of a closed diff. when you're at WOT and for regular driving your operating just like any other open diff.