16G WITH 2.3 STROKER what do you think

[Drifter27_04]

I am rebuilding to a 2.3 L stroker. Right now I have a big 16g ported and clipped and was going to run it for a little while so I can save up and purchase a bigger turbo. My main question is there anyone running the 2.3/2.4 stroker with the 16g setup or have they and how was the performance?

 

[4g64GST]

u will see very fast spool, it will work for a while but you will want something bigger (whatever your goals) pretty soon.
sorry no numbers

 

[TargeT]

you can also run the risk of hurting the turbo. that engine flows a LOT of air...

 

[DSMvroom]

you can also run the risk of hurting the turbo. that engine flows a LOT of air...

u have any links to information on this? i'm curious to find out exactly the how/what/why of your statement because this is the first i've heard of that type of thing. Granted, I'm not extremely knowledgable in automotive by any means.

 

[swordfish]

Been there.. sorta. We had a sleeper 16G on the red 2.3L car and it was a blast. It took a big dive in power after about 6k but it was the spool-0-matic. Great to blast around town on. Just jab the throttle and off you go. Not the best drag racing setup but definately fun as hell.

jeff

 

[TargeT]

u have any links to information on this? i'm curious to find out exactly the how/what/why of your statement because this is the first i've heard of that type of thing. Granted, I'm not extremely knowledgable in automotive by any means.

well, it really depends on how good your self control is... your gonna feel the turbo DIE up top & be un happy, then want to push 21-24 PSI for daily driving etc.. pushing a turbo too hard is a quick way to kill it ( ask my old T-25.. ) & on a 2.3 it would be easy to do

 

[1gp0wer]

Well you say you're going to run it for a while as you save up for a bigger turbo setup.. Why not run the 16g as a break-in turbo for the 2.3L? Resale value of a ported/clipped non-evo b16g is basically nil, so if you send metal frags through it from your break-in, it won't matter TOO much. It wouldn't be enough to destroy it, but it likely could end up in worse condition than when you start the break-in. Also, the b16g won't push too much boost, which is good for the break-in period on your brand new stroker. If you break in your new motor for a good long time (I plan on 5k for my new build even though that's overkill) that should be enough time to save up for a bigger turbo and whatever other supporting mods you need for it. It looks like you're set for most of your supporting mods, but bigger injectors would be good depending on how big you're wanting to go. I personally would feel better running a 50 trim or bigger on 680s or 720s. And DSMLink is invaluable; with a bigger turbo and injectors, and the amount of supporting mods you have, the $550 it costs is well worth it. MAFT can only go so far.

 

[herostar]

For what it's worth I ran a ported BIG28 on my 2.3L for a few months. That thing was fun as hell! I got 17psi right at 2300rpm! It was soooo fun to drive, just don't plan on doing any long pulls in the upper RPM range b/c it'll run out of power like others have said. Doesnt' run out real bad, but it's no comparison to the 60-1...

 

[TargeT]

I'm braking mine in with the stock T-25 should be done by friday..

 

[MaNGiNa24]

In a 2.3 stroker or 2.4 liter with a 16g you can expect the same results as a t25 on a 2.0 with an increase in power. You'll get similar spool as well as similar drop off point in performance where the turbo will die out.

 

[Parsalian05]

sorry this thread has been dead for a while (i used the search), but i'm actually doing the exact same setup very soon!

I'm using mahle pistons, eagle rods and all arp stuff with the 2.3 6bolt, b-shaft eliminated. *I'm leaving the head stock, putting in 650cc injectors, safc/blow-thru setup and probably a SBR 2g race core.

stuff i had before was: ported evoIII 16g, ported manifold/02 and a 2.5" turbo back, rewired 190 walbro pump, type s bov, etc.

i'm hoping for upper 300's for awhp, possibly 400... i know i'm gonna be pushing the limits on both the 16g and the fuel pump, but hopefully ill be able to run 25psi or so?

if anyone has any tips/advice, throw it out there

-Nate

 

[Injected]

EVO III 16G is to 2.0L as ______ is to 2.4L.

 

[herostar]

EVO III 16G is to 2.0L as ______ is to 2.4L.

50-trim



Keep in mind that a 2.0 w/ a e3 16g will make 350 properly supported, while the stroker w/ teh 50 trim wil make between 450 and 500 hp. One could expect spool up times of around 3200-3400rpm on a 2.4 with the 50trim. I get 21psi right at 3500rpm in 3rd gear w/ my 2.3L and 60-1

 

[TargeT]

50-trim



Keep in mind that a 2.0 w/ a e3 16g will make 350 properly supported, while the stroker w/ teh 50 trim wil make between 450 and 500 hp. One could expect spool up times of around 3200-3400rpm on a 2.4 with the 50trim. I get 21psi right at 3500rpm in 3rd gear w/ my 2.3L and 60-1

non ball bearing 60-1?

I'd say if you want e3 16g responce & the amazing power that it makes, a comperable turbo would be an FP3052 or FP3065 (I'm gonna go with the later on my 2.3,... at some point)

 

[NDgsx]

3052 is too small for a 2.4 at high boost, if all you want to do is run pumpgas it's ok. I ran one earlier this spring, it couldn't hold over 25lbs to redline.
3065 is laggier than a E16g on a 2.0.

60-1 is pretty much dead on. With standard shaft cartridges I've seen 20lbs around 3.5-3.6k (this is on other peoples cars, I have a 3575).

 

[spoolinawd91]

How much would the 2.3L or 2.4L help spool if say a 2.0L spooling 25 psi on GT35R at 4500?

 

[TargeT]

How much would the 2.3L or 2.4L help spool if say a 2.0L spooling 25 psi on GT35R at 4500?

IIRC, GT35R's spool around 25psi 3800 on a 2.3 (2.3 & 2.4 are basicaly the same displacement, the reason for the different names is to diferentiate between a 4g63 block and a 4g64 block)

 

[turbohounds]

This is pretty much the setup I decided to go with - 2.3 stroker with big16g, everything ported and lots of other stuff. My car is an AT mostly used for autocross, so I want that power from between 2-6k. IMO the AT doesn't shift well above 6500, so even autocrossing I spend most of the time around 5K. All the flow maps I've looked at make the 16g look properly sized for the powerband I'm looking for.

 

[Injected]

(2.3 & 2.4 are basicaly the same displacement, the reason for the different names is to diferentiate between a 4g63 block and a 4g64 block)

That is simply not true. Read my previous post in the other thread:

There are several ways to get the 2.4L and the 4G64 is one option, but it isn't a stroker and it's a 7 bolt. There are several displacements that are common for the 4G63, anything from 2.0 to 2.4 using different strokes and bores. Then there's the 4GCS, which is a 6 bolt 2.4L block.

 

[1fast97gsx]

Why bother putting a 16g on built / stroked motor? Doesnt it spool fast enough on a 2.0 already??

 

[XtReMeToYz]

Why bother putting a 16g on built / stroked motor? Doesnt it spool fast enough on a 2.0 already??

For the sake of saving money to buy a bigger turbo, and more expensive turbo's from biting the bullet from the break-in.

 

[Parsalian05]

i originally wanted moderate power (with moderate costs) so i went with the 16g, but now that i've gone through two BS 7bolts, i decided to go all the way (that my budget allows) and do a built 2.3 6bolt. I'll eventually go up to some ball-bearing turbo that is streetable, but not quite yet.