Doing 50 trim install - Any other mods I should have?

[amlos]

I am finally getting some time to put my new parts in my '90 talon and am wondering if there is anything I am leaving out.

So far, the car has:

255hp fuel pump
14B @ 15psi
Aquamist system 1s
MBC
EGT, Boost, AFR guages
3" turbo back O2 elim RnR exhaust with race cat
Ported 2G exhaust manifold
Pocketlogger
HKS turbo timer

The parts I am currently installing are:

PTE 50 trim with 69 exhaust turbine
Extremepsi Intercooler kit (28.5x10.5x3)
680cc injectors
Apexi S-AFC 2
ACT 2600 clutch
AEM cam gears and AEM alternator pulley (got em cheap)
some sort of AFPR (suggestions????)

Is there anything else I am forgetting? Any suggestions, break in tips, or install hints?

Also, will I notice a big difference between the 69 exhaust wheel (stage 2) in the 50 trim as opposed to the 76 (stage 3) wheel?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

 

[AlecW81]

This isn't directly related to your Turbo, but what is the status of your suspension? Stock? Originals? Might want to look into an Eibach Pro Kit and some KYB AGXs. It'll make a huge difference in your handling and launch.

 

[FastRthenU]

GET A GOOD SET OF CAMS. I cant stress that enough

 

[13secGST]

Also I would look into a better tuning system other than an AFC...you are so limited with an AFC and can get something so much better which will give you twice as much power. Tuning is everything with our cars...don't skimp on it cause that is where you will start to make crazy power...especially with bigger turbos

Cams, Suspension upgrades, better tires that are wide so you need 8" wide rims, and brakes are all important now as well...now you are going to be making tons of power but you can't stop and you can't turn so what good is it?

 

[amlos]

Originally posted by 13secGST
Also I would look into a better tuning system other than an AFC...you are so limited with an AFC and can get something so much better which will give you twice as much power. Tuning is everything with our cars...don't skimp on it cause that is where you will start to make crazy power...especially with bigger turbos

Yup, I was planning on using the AFC to get me running well enough to head over to vishnu performance and have them install and dyno tune on of their 12 map piggybacks. It's not as good as full stand alone but I need to save money to complete the replacement of my blown M3's dead engine (died from bad tuning )

Originally posted by 13secGST
...now you are going to be making tons of power but you can't stop and you can't turn so what good is it?

I understand this. My car was scary enough to drive with the stock turbo due to the worn shocks, warped rotors, mediocre tires, and weird clutch. I won;t actually enjoy driving the car until I change those.

 

[amlos]

Will I notice a big difference between the 69 exhaust wheel (stage 2) in the 50 trim as opposed to the 76 (stage 3) wheel? I'm looking for linear power, not the peaky boost of the smaller turbos. Any idea where my stage 2 wheel turbo will max out at (whp)? TIA

 

[loreak]

i know what you mean about old suspension and brakes, i usually dont WOT for longer then a few seconds for fear of not being able to stop, and i think a family car would out handle my old suspension

 

[flyneagle]

i think he would also need a 3inch intake pipe cause the inlet on that bad boy is huge. You could actually use a 3.5 inch pipe if you wanted, i believe. You might want a 2g maf too while your at it.... other than that... um maybe a 2g exhaust manifold and an external wastegate if your not running internal.... idk.. thats what i think......

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by amlos
I am finally getting some time to put my new parts in my '90 talon and am wondering if there is anything I am leaving out.

So far, the car has:

255hp fuel pump
14B @ 15psi
Aquamist system 1s
MBC
EGT, Boost, AFR guages
3" turbo back O2 elim RnR exhaust with race cat
Ported 2G exhaust manifold
Pocketlogger
HKS turbo timer

The parts I am currently installing are:

PTE 50 trim with 69 exhaust turbine
Extremepsi Intercooler kit (28.5x10.5x3)
680cc injectors
Apexi S-AFC 2
ACT 2600 clutch
AEM cam gears and AEM alternator pulley (got em cheap)
some sort of AFPR (suggestions????)

Is there anything else I am forgetting? Any suggestions, break in tips, or install hints?

Also, will I notice a big difference between the 69 exhaust wheel (stage 2) in the 50 trim as opposed to the 76 (stage 3) wheel?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

I found that the fitment of My PTE 50 was a lot better then any of the other two shitty 50 hybrids I was using prior to this install. It looks like you have all the basis covered. You may have to rotate the comp housing to clear the front motor.

You may also have to bang the big pipe some to clear the compressor housing. I chose a hahn .500 mani spacer plate. At the time I did mine there were quite a few " i beat my water pipe and shattered the welds at the lower coolant neck" horror story's. Again the PTE fits so much better that you many not have to bang the big pipe at all.

In regard to the 69 and 76 wheels. The 76 will flow a little more on top and the 69 will spool just a bit quicker where the 76 will spool a tad slower.

 

[amlos]

thanks for the info! Still waiting on my IC piping until i finish the IC. I've had to cut more than a little bit out of my bumper to fit the extremepsi fmic.

One more question: how did you block off the coolant lines? Also, any reccomendations on replacement fans for my radiator? The turbo won;t fit with the stock ones.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by amlos
One more question: how did you block off the coolant lines? Also, any reccomendations on replacement fans for my radiator? The turbo won;t fit with the stock ones.

I didn't I just looped it. Run a section of hose from the hard line at the lower water neck to the return at the thermostat housing.As for the fans i dont reall know, i run spals and a aluminum rad.

 

[turbo95dsm]

Ok. This might be a dumb question, but may help you save some time. I have a PTE 54trim and its internally gated... I dont see a place to plug the old boost line from the stock wastegate in. This is the last thing that I need to find out before I can start my car. I did have a terrible time with the install though. I had to install a NA turbo coolant pipe because the compressor housing was too big and hit the water fitting on the stock coolant pipe. Then I also changed my exhaust manifold studs cause one was broken. I was told that I should probably do it anyway... In any case that's how my install has gone so far... Hope yours is smoother.

I will let you know if a few days how my 2 13" spal fans work out.

 

[WhatsADSM]

PTE runs a line (the blue one) from the compressor housing to the wastegate actuator directly. If you want to run your existing line then you will need to remove the blue line and cap off the source on the compressor housing.

 

[TwoLiterV8Eater]

Use a 3/8" NPT fitting (preferably not brass, its too soft) to block the coolant line on the water pipe. use some teflon tape to seal it up nice.

Here is a great trick I found for blocking off the top coolant line. Assuming you have removed the emissions from your car, or are able to get a hold of someone elses charcoal canister, you will see on the top that there are 3 connectors for hoses. One of them is not used and is capped off with a rubber cap. Well that cap fits perfectly over the coolant line you need to block off. It doesnt look ghetto and works great.

 

[amlos]

Originally posted by turbo95dsm
Ok. This might be a dumb question, but may help you save some time. I have a PTE 54trim and its internally gated... I dont see a place to plug the old boost line from the stock wastegate in. This is the last thing that I need to find out before I can start my car. I did have a terrible time with the install though. I had to install a NA turbo coolant pipe because the compressor housing was too big and hit the water fitting on the stock coolant pipe. Then I also changed my exhaust manifold studs cause one was broken. I was told that I should probably do it anyway... In any case that's how my install has gone so far... Hope yours is smoother.

I will let you know if a few days how my 2 13" spal fans work out.

Well, I finally got everything installed a couple days ago and it was a wee bit of a PITA. I had to clock the compressor housing a little to clear the coolant pipe and bend the old turbo coolant lines all to hell in order to get it to reroute back into each other. I also had to tap out 2 of my studs and install 3/8" studs as the old studs had stipped out the holes. I just plugged my mbc into the compressors existing wastegate line ( the blue one). I pulled the blue line off of the wasgate nipple, attatched it to my mbc and then attatched another vacume line from the other side of the mbc back to the wastegate.

My install was really not smooth. I had to cut and trim so much stuff to get everything installed. My IC pipes weren't the right length or shape, my bov has been welded way to high. Also, as I was doing the clutch, I found other issuse such as dead cv's and had to replace both halfshafts. Still, I am very happy with the power and sound of this setup. Let me know how your's runs!

 

[TwoLiterV8Eater]

I don't see why you wouldnt be able to use the stock fans (or at least the main fan on the passenger side) with your turbo. I am running the stock main fan on my car with a full garrett 50 trim t04e housing, and a friend of mine is running the stock fan with his internally gated Green. You might have to trim the bottom of the fan a little (I had to hack off one of the support "beams" totally, but it still fits good. Trust me when I say you WANT the stock main fan. It flows a rediculous amount of air and I doubt you will have overheating problems if you use it. Basically do whatever you can to keep the stock fan.

 

[jdmawd]

there is very little room between the turbo outlet, front motor mount and ic piping. keeping the stock fans will be pretty hard.

I have slims and a narrow aluminum rad and it all just barely fits. I really didn't feel like cutting beating bending and Jerry rigging stuff. So I spent a couple bucks to do the install right. The coolant line is simple, just loop it the section of hose and two hose clamps cost $3.00. the manifold spacer plate and gaskets cost around 150 ( i think)

 

[TwoLiterV8Eater]

I have a bigger than stock Fluidyne radiator, the stock main fan, my intercooler piping running past the fan to the stock intercooler location, and my T04e compressor housing and nothing touches anything else. I didnt have to bang my water pipe either. I wouldnt call that jerry rigging at all. The only thing I had to trim, like I said earlier was the bottom of the fan. Perhaps tomorrow if i remember I can take some pics of it

 

[TwoLiterV8Eater]

I Found a picture I forgot I had.

 

[TwoLiterV8Eater]

Originally posted by 13secGST
Also I would look into a better tuning system other than an AFC...you are so limited with an AFC and can get something so much better which will give you twice as much power. Tuning is everything with our cars...don't skimp on it cause that is where you will start to make crazy power...especially with bigger turbos

Just to go back to this for a minute. Sure there are other, better devices for tuning, but the SAFC does a great job for its price. Tuning IS everything, but its not just what fancy box you buy, its how you use it. Friends of mine have ran well over 120 mph traps and well into the 11's using only an SAFC and a 2g mas. This is the same setup I am using, although I still need my 2g mas. Don't sell the SAFC short because there are many people that know how to use it to its potential.

 

[jsigone]

I just installed a PTE 56trim last thursday and tehe water pipe or rotate the comp housing. One prob i did run into was that I wasn't able to get the lower coolant line from the waterpipe so I just cut it halfway and looped it back to the t-stat. I also used the stock fan. I had to hack the lower corner to clear the LIC piping. I had no issues with the motor mount nor oil return line.

BTW: 2G MAS & AFC rocks