4G63 turbo manifolds on Honda B-series heads?

[XTurboSpYderX]

I remember hearing a couple times that the turbo manifold from a 4G63 will bolt on to a honda B-series head. I keep thinking that there is no way in hell... but I remember someone saying that they had done it. Does anyone have any NON wise-assed input on this subject (actuall experiance would be nice)

thanks

 

[RipperXX]

I have no idea.


Why dont you offer some ricer idiot an upgread and find out?

 

[Derek2003]

i think i've heard that somewhere before as well. it may be true but who knows. anyone have a definate answer here?

 

[candela]

Why dont you offer some ricer idiot an upgread and find out?

I think you top the ranks for being one of the dumbest/thick headed posters no this board....way to go

PS- nice interior paint trim and pedals bro:laugh:

 

[Yellow4g63]

It will only work if they get the Vtec 2.0 upgrade at the dealer.

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

Originally posted by Yellow4g63
It will only work if they get the Vtec 2.0 upgrade at the dealer.

So I take it you missed the part in my origional post where I asked for NON wise-assed input...

I asked if a 4G63 turbo mani bolts to a B-series head, it is a simple question...

B20A = 2.0L DOHC 3Gen Prelude
B20b = 1997-1998 CRV
B20z = 1999-2000 CRV

those are the only factory B-series 2.0 engines and none of them are VTEC...

F20B- 2.0L DOHC VTEC 92+ Accord SiR
F20C- 2.0L DOHC VTEC '00+ S2000
K20A - 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 02+ RSX base
K20A3- 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 02+ Civic Si
K20C - 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 02+ RSX Type-S


THOSE are 2.0 VTEC, but NOT B-series...


B16A1- 1.6 liter DOHC VTEC japan-spec CRX
B16A2-1.6 liter DOHC VTEC engine in 99-00 Civic Si
B16A3 - 1.6 liter DOHC VTEC engine in Del Sol
B16A4- 1.6 liter DOHC VTEC (170hp) Asian market
B16B- 1.6L DOHC VTEC 98-00 Civic Type-R
B17A - 1.7 liter DOHC engine in U.S. 92-93 GSR
B18 - 1.8 liter DOHC engine in 90-91 Integras
B18A - 1.8 liter DOHC engine in 92-93 LS and GS
B18B - 1.8 liter DOHC engine in 94-00 LS and GS
B18C1 - 1.8 liter DOHC VTEC engine in 94-00 GSR
B18C5 - 1.8 liter DOHC VTEC engine in U.S. Integra Type R
B18C Spec-R - 1.8L DOHC VTEC engine in JDM Integra Type R

these are the B-series that I was refering to... but I should have figured that I couldn't ask a legit question on this board without the usual "jackass crowd" chiming in with stupid ass, uneducated awnsers like that...


again, I ask... does anyone have any REAL information about the compatibility of the 4G63 Turbo mani and a honda B-series head, for some strange reason I remember hearing that they are compatible.

 

[kpt4321]

I honestly do not know if the bolt pattern is the same. However, I am very interested. If you find out, make sure to post it here, or e-mail me personally.


....Kyle T.

 

[spoolinawddsm]

no our turbo manifolds will not bolt up to any honda head for that matter, some of my friends with hondas have used the turbo manifold but welded a honda flange on to the runners, thats all i have heard of...

 

[Yellow4g63]

I said Vtec 2.0 meaning they flash the ecu with a diffrent Vtec program duhh.

Originally posted by XTurboSpYderX



So I take it you missed the part in my origional post where I asked for NON wise-assed input...

I asked if a 4G63 turbo mani bolts to a B-series head, it is a simple question...

B20A = 2.0L DOHC 3Gen Prelude
B20b = 1997-1998 CRV
B20z = 1999-2000 CRV

those are the only factory B-series 2.0 engines and none of them are VTEC...

F20B- 2.0L DOHC VTEC 92+ Accord SiR
F20C- 2.0L DOHC VTEC '00+ S2000
K20A - 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 02+ RSX base
K20A3- 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 02+ Civic Si
K20C - 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 02+ RSX Type-S


THOSE are 2.0 VTEC, but NOT B-series...


B16A1- 1.6 liter DOHC VTEC japan-spec CRX
B16A2-1.6 liter DOHC VTEC engine in 99-00 Civic Si
B16A3 - 1.6 liter DOHC VTEC engine in Del Sol
B16A4- 1.6 liter DOHC VTEC (170hp) Asian market
B16B- 1.6L DOHC VTEC 98-00 Civic Type-R
B17A - 1.7 liter DOHC engine in U.S. 92-93 GSR
B18 - 1.8 liter DOHC engine in 90-91 Integras
B18A - 1.8 liter DOHC engine in 92-93 LS and GS
B18B - 1.8 liter DOHC engine in 94-00 LS and GS
B18C1 - 1.8 liter DOHC VTEC engine in 94-00 GSR
B18C5 - 1.8 liter DOHC VTEC engine in U.S. Integra Type R
B18C Spec-R - 1.8L DOHC VTEC engine in JDM Integra Type R

these are the B-series that I was refering to... but I should have figured that I couldn't ask a legit question on this board without the usual "jackass crowd" chiming in with stupid ass, uneducated awnsers like that...


again, I ask... does anyone have any REAL information about the compatibility of the 4G63 Turbo mani and a honda B-series head, for some strange reason I remember hearing that they are compatible.

 

[Streetbeat]

you could always get a gasket from a 4g63 and get a gasket off a b series and see if they match, or just find a diagram of em

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

Originally posted by Yellow4g63
I said Vtec 2.0 meaning they flash the ecu with a diffrent Vtec program duhh.

that makes even MORE sense...

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

Originally posted by Streetbeat
you could always get a gasket from a 4g63 and get a gasket off a b series and see if they match, or just find a diagram of em

I have the 4G exhaust gasket... I could just take it to a honda dealer... wow... that was too simple... thanks bro... I probabally wouldn't have thought of that... I'll let you guys know what I find out...

 

[gritsak]

i highly doubt it would bolt right on...but you can prolly redrill/bore the holes out and possibly get it to work...or like someone said, cut the head flange off it and weld a honda one on

too much hassle IMO..it will prolly fit wrong and placement will be off...ide just buy a turbo manifold for a b-series. you can get them cheap

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

first of all, turbospyder, u dont know jack about honda motors, all 90-93 integras had a 1.7 engine, the ls and gs were a b17b, the 92-93 gsr was a b17a1, and a usdm 94-00 integra gsr is a b18a1, b18c1 through b18c4 are all jdm engines, the only b18 sold in america is the b18c5 and its in the usdm type r, a jdm type r is a b18c4, and i believe a b18c1 is a jdm gsr, but im not sure since i dont know anyone who would waste importing a jdm gsr instead or a type r, learn what ur talking about before u start posting false engine codes, i know someone with every single one of the engines i talk aboiut under their hood right now
and as far as i know there has never been a b series prelude, the last 2 generations of preludes were both h series, so unless ur talking about a 92 or earlier ur wrong about that too
secondly, it doesnt matter what liter the engine is, thats the block not the head, i know alot about honda tuning and i can tell u that a 1.6 liter civic si b16 head will bolt right up to a crv b20 block, and so will a 1.8 gsr head, i know a couple of people who run that, all u need to check is if the blot patterns like up, if not u can wald a flange on, i know there is a way cause i know some people running mitsu turbos on their hondas, almost every mani available for hondas is for garett turbos, and who wants a piece of garett garbage under their hood when u can have the stregnth and reliability of a mitsu housing, thats y the best turbos(like the franks and fp green and red) use a mitsu housing with a garett compressor wheel

 

[mxracer]

Cirus don't get mad at me but turbospyder is spot on for every single one of those engine codes you are the one that is mistaken.

The mitsu manifold will not bolt on to a b series motor. You can however, take your (b series)manifold gasket and redrill your holes for your studs and then you would have to seriously port out the manifold. The ports are actually very close to the same distance apart (mitsu-->honda). So yes, it has probably been done before but i wouldn't recomend it.

 

[RipperXX]

Originally posted by candela


I think you top the ranks for being one of the dumbest/thick headed posters no this board....way to go

PS- nice interior paint trim and pedals bro:laugh:

Ok, sorry for craping on the thread...

and FYI im trying to find the original pice's to replace the stupid crap my friend painted.. and the ### pedel covers are gone now.. back to stock. (guess i should update the pics)

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

Originally posted by Cirus_93TSI
first of all, turbospyder, u dont know jack about honda motors...

I know for a fact that there are a LOT of people with more honda knowledge than myself... I never claimed to be an expert, but for you to claim that I know "jack" about honda motors, when you don't even know me, is rather shortsighted on your part...

it doesnt matter what liter the engine is, thats the block not the head, i know alot about honda tuning and i can tell u that a 1.6 liter civic si b16 head will bolt right up to a crv b20 block, and so will a 1.8 gsr head

I know several guys running the frank motors as well... and while we are talking head swaps you forgot to mention the imfamous LS/VTEC... I was trying to make a point that there was NO FACTORY 2.0 B-series VTEC...

all 90-93 integras had a 1.7 engine, the ls and gs were a b17b, the 92-93 gsr was a b17a1, and a usdm 94-00 integra gsr is a b18a1, b18c1 through b18c4 are all jdm engines, the only b18 sold in america is the b18c5 and its in the usdm type r, a jdm type r is a b18c4, and i believe a b18c1 is a jdm gsr... learn what ur talking about before u start posting false engine codes

I wasn't giving a COMPLETE rundown of every honda engine ever produced anywhere... I was giving a short list of the type of engines with the head that I was looking for... and if you noticed... the ONE B17 that I mentioned WAS the 92-93 GSR, so I am not sure where you get the impression that I am misinformed...

and as far as i know there has never been a b series prelude, the last 2 generations of preludes were both h series, so unless ur talking about a 92 or earlier ur wrong about that too

The following USDM preludes came with B-series engines:
88-90 2.0S : B20A3 SOHC 12v dual sidedraft carb 105hp
88-91 2.0Si : B20A5 DOHC 16v 135hp
90-91 Si : B21A1 DOHC 16v 140hp
http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/showthread/t-77226.html
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86
http://www.jhotexports.com/englishlist.htm
http://www.cjee.com/honda.htm
http://www.aluminumheads.com/Honda.html

those websites all refer you to at least ONE prelude with a stock B20...
so I guess YOU are the be all and end all of honda knowledge and once again... I don't know "jack" about honda...




but at least you know what you are talking about when it comes to turbos...

who wants a piece of garett garbage under their hood when u can have the stregnth and reliability of a mitsu housing, thats y the best turbos(like the franks and fp green and red) use a mitsu housing with a garett compressor wheel

you are a pretty wise man... what are you doing wasting all your knowlegde on THIS site... you could be making MILLIONS in the street racing buisness...



P.S. thanks you for having my back MXracer...

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

Originally posted by mxracer
Cirus don't get mad at me but turbospyder is spot on for every single one of those engine codes you are the one that is mistaken.

The mitsu manifold will not bolt on to a b series motor. You can however, take your (b series)manifold gasket and redrill your holes for your studs and then you would have to seriously port out the manifold. The ports are actually very close to the same distance apart (mitsu-->honda). So yes, it has probably been done before but i wouldn't recomend it.

yeah... I matched the gaskets at the dealer today... they are pretty close... close enough that they COULD be used... but it would be more hassel than it is worth, with the plethora of turbo manis available for honda apps. already... but thanks for all the help you guys...

 

[candela]

Spider you are exactly correct...that guy just made a complete ass out of himself considering his information was completely wrong.
ALL 2nd gen integra's (90-93) came with 1.8 liter motors except the 92-93 gs-r's which came with DOHC VTEC 1.7liters. The gs-r's were not produced until 92 as no vtec was available in ANY honda (excluding the NSX) until 92...which is when the civics starting getting vtec as well.

Now the manny will not work, yes its prolly a good idea to weld the flange off the stock cast peice and then you could use the DSM manny. However Cirus's ignorant ass made a fool of himself twice by saying that garret is junk So why dont you do us all a favor and stop posting as not only are you polluting the threads with misinformation but you are dogging on someone with a legitament question with accurate information

As for you RipperXX- I dont mean to be an ass but Ive read so many of your posts where all that is said is complete crap out of your mouth. You make fun of people for asking questions, dont always post the correct answers and CONSTANTLY make fun of "ricers" and talk about how slow certain things are.... Well newsflash dude, your car is basically stock with painted interior & ugly non functioning pedals and you tell people how it is... Again Im not trying to just be a **** to you, but you are one of those people on this forum that just gets to me from the shit you say sometimes. If you need links to misinformative and/or retarded shit said just let me know


Austin

 

[98eclipseRS]

sorry just had to add one thing to this thread. All 94-00 integras had b18's in them, the ls, gs, gsr, and type r all had b18's.

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

i ment b18c, not simpley b18, the only usdm b18c engine is the b18c5 type r (u would think u would have figured out i missed a key by me saying a usdm gsr is a b18a1) u think u would all other b18c engines are jdm, and as i said if ur talking about pre-92 preludes ur right, good luck building one of those up, i was just pointing out that quite a few of the engines codes u listed are incorrect and said to come in the wrong car
everything i said was on point, all 90-03 integras had 1.7L engines, i know dozens or people with every model and year, a us gsr is a b18a1, a b18c engine is jdm unless its a usdm type r, u made a couple mistakes, dont get all mad cause u dont know every engine code
and i was just trying to help u out, i know several people running mitsu turbo and garett turbo, vtec and non vtec, b18 and b20 engines, but i see i shouldnt have bothered, u wouldnt want a 10 second street honda anyway

 

[candela]

LMFAO... Ill try and be nice and correct you dude...

90-93 integra RS. LS and GS all had B18A's
92-92 integra GS-R : B17A which was a 160hp dohc vtec motor

94+ integras all had B18's as well and guess what the GSR's had B18C1's. The JDM code for anny dohc vtec B series 1.8liter was simply B18C regardless if it was a type-R or a JDM GSR (xsi which had 180hp). USDM teg R's ALL have B18C5's producing 195hp.
I will go ahead and be a cocky nutt and say that I am a Honda expert, I know I am right and know that you are wrong:laugh:


Austin

PS- I know because I have had a b18A in my stock 91 teg, as did my brother and Jihan. I also had a friend with a 92 gsr with a B17A, and then later had a hatch with a USDM GSR (I took it from a 94 gsr) and on the engine was stamped B18C1...

 

[VBGSX]

Originally posted by Cirus_93TSI
everything i said was on point, all 90-03 integras had 1.7L engines, i know dozens or people with every model and year, a us gsr is a b18a1, a b18c engine is jdm unless its a usdm type r, u made a couple mistakes, dont get all mad cause u dont know every engine code
and i was just trying to help u out, i know several people running mitsu turbo and garett turbo, vtec and non vtec, b18 and b20 engines, but i see i shouldnt have bothered, u wouldnt want a 10 second street honda anyway

Sooner or later you'll stop digging that hole you've dug for yourself(I think it's deep enough). You're definitely making yourself look like an idiot. If you're just trying to make yourself look smart, maybe you should research what you're talking about instead of posting misinformation. Don't just take your friends word for it. They either don't know what they're talking about or you just aren't retaining the correct info they give you.
Candela is correct(like always ) so I don't even have to point out your mistakes.

Oh and if it helps to get it through your head, I had a 95 b18c1(usdm 95 GSR engine) swapped into my honda. I then swapped the GSR head out for a Type R head, intake mani and turbo'd it. After that, I then did a 98 b18c5(usdm type R engine) swap.

 

[AlecW81]

I'm pretty sure someone else has called you on this one, Cirrus, but the 94-00 GSR had the B18C1. I should know, a 94 GSR was my first car.

 

[97GS-TnVegas]

OK....here is another one to get our boy cirus....94-00 tegs all have b18's like candela said. GS, LS had b18b's....GSR comes with b18c1....and the type R has the b18c5........cirus also said that the b18c4 was a JDM motor.....the only place you will find a b18c4 is under the hood of a EUROPE ONLY civic VTI(straight out of honda tuning magazine).