quick questions about BR20G

[larryd]

since the BR site really doesnt tell you jack I was hoping maybe someone can tell me a few things..

Ive figured they require an external wastegate, is a tial 40mm doable with the Victory Performance O2 Mounted external wastegate a good setup for this turbo?

Im assuming the turbo is NOT a direct bolton, is there a kit required and if so where can I get it and how much since I cant find this info anywhere..

Is the intake inlet on the turbo 2 1/2" or 3".. just trying to figure out if Id have to get rid of my Injen intake for a Dejon Tool or not..

Fuel Wise.. is my 190/550 setup good enuf or would I need a 255hp to replace the 190?

any to answer the question Im sure Ill be asked, yes my turbo the FPBig28 is shot.. its not a piston ring as I thought, its actually the turbo causing the problems and Im up in the air on the Green or the BR20G..

 

[NDgsx]

Ive figured they require an external wastegate, is a tial 40mm doable with the Victory Performance O2 Mounted external wastegate a good setup for this turbo?


Yes, that will work great.

Im assuming the turbo is NOT a direct bolton, is there a kit required and if so where can I get it and how much since I cant find this info anywhere..

You'll need the normal parts for any mitsubishi turbo (1G feed line, etc...). Just like a 16G install.

Is the intake inlet on the turbo 2 1/2" or 3".. just trying to figure out if Id have to get rid of my Injen intake for a Dejon Tool or not..

I'm not sure which compressor housing they have.

Fuel Wise.. is my 190/550 setup good enuf or would I need a 255hp to replace the 190?

You need a supra pump or 255.

 

[larryd]

thanks for the info.. it seems this thing is quite pricey then according to BRs page.. the turbo isnt bad at 1050 but the install kit is 300 and then the external wastegate is another 400??

 

[rdrkt]

Larry any turbo kit you are looking is going to need an external wastegate. I use a 35mm Tial and I haven’t had any issues with surging/creeping and that is on a fairly large turbo.

The install kit can be fabricated for much cheaper I’m sure.

 

[NJGSX96]

VP O2 housing is the perfect match for the 20G... or any other turbo for that matter. Just a great piece IMHO.

I think a rewired 190 should supply plenty of fuel. Now if you have the extra $135, then go with the 255, but it is not required if you have the 190 rewired.

You will be maxxing out your 550s at high boost and I would recommend 660s.

As for price... you are entering the bigger turbos now. Gonna cost more unfortunately. You can save some money by just buying the install parts seperately. The "kits" cost $300, but you can ge the parts you will use new seperately for around $100-150 I think.

 

[fast_talon]

Larry: Personally I would check out: http://www.slowboyracing.com

In a few days im installing a SBR-G50 from them.. Nice turbo for the money..

 

[jdmawd]

i have an idea for you,lets do some math

br20g turbo $1050 (have you seen this guys porting? ask dsmman about the porting. i could do a better job with a butter knife)
20G comp wheel tdo5h tubine wheel


40mm *external* gate $400

install kit $300

total= 1700

fp green

.... uhh the site has no information

$1,275 and 745 cfm



now for the fun part!
ETE32
to4E compressor housing

garrett center section

garrett t3 high flow turbine wheel, no added lag from clipping

ported 7cm2 mitsu turbine housing (killer porting)

39MM *internal* gate, why pay $400 for 1mm. when you can get 39mm for free?

total= 1,384.00

 

[sunflashx]

If your set on a internal gate at least step up to a hybrid that uses Garrett GT parts.

www.agpturbo.com

It'll cost about like a hundred more than a mutt, but I'd think it's worth it.

If you're ok with getting a external gate, think FP30. Wait a few weeks for Robert to announce the FP30 pricing before making a decision and there probably won't be any decision left for you to make. You might even be able to call now and get the pricing on them.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by sunflashx
If your set on a internal gate at least step up to a hybrid that uses Garrett GT parts.

www.agpturbo.com

It'll cost about like a hundred more than a mutt, but I'd think it's worth it.

If you're ok with getting a external gate, think FP30. Wait a few weeks for Robert to announce the FP30 pricing before making a decision and there probably won't be any decision left for you to make. You might even be able to call now and get the pricing on them.

Yup, and you can get a ballistic center option now. Its still basically a Garrett turbo bolted to a mitsu turbine housing AKA a mutt. The guy I bought my vpc from just went 10.50 in his street car with their new ballistic hybrid turbo, im not sure what size. ken just got one also.

 

[jdmawd]

larry i think the agp has you're name on it.

you may like this one, since i now you are lazy ill post the description

AGP L2R
This is the turbo you have been dreaming about but could never have
until now. Fast spool up, instant boost response between shifts, and top end power that will have you bouncing off the rev-limiter in the blink
of an eye. It spools faster than any turbo of it's size, test cases have
shown full boost as low as 3600RPM on real world stock motor cars. Add high compression, 3" o2 eliminator, and a few other goodies and full boost under 3500RPM is possible. The top end pull of this turbo is just plain sick, it will support 30psi to well past redline. This is the
greatest street/strip turbo available for the DSM.
*-supports 550bhp
*-54lb/min compressor
*-latest 10 bladed GT30 turbine wheel
*-your choice T04B or T04E compressor housing
*-ported 7cm turbine housing
*-optional 34mm adjustable internal waste gate


Introductory Price - $1350

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[SPEEDY]

Originally posted by larryd
since the BR site really doesnt tell you jack I was hoping maybe someone can tell me a few things..

Ive figured they require an external wastegate, is a tial 40mm doable with the Victory Performance O2 Mounted external wastegate a good setup for this turbo?

Im assuming the turbo is NOT a direct bolton, is there a kit required and if so where can I get it and how much since I cant find this info anywhere..

Is the intake inlet on the turbo 2 1/2" or 3".. just trying to figure out if Id have to get rid of my Injen intake for a Dejon Tool or not..

Fuel Wise.. is my 190/550 setup good enuf or would I need a 255hp to replace the 190?

any to answer the question Im sure Ill be asked, yes my turbo the FPBig28 is shot.. its not a piston ring as I thought, its actually the turbo causing the problems and Im up in the air on the Green or the BR20G..

Damn! That sucks about the Big28 being shot larryd. FP is suppose to have a good reputation on having reliable turbo's. So... was the turbo your problem to begin with, and not your headgasket, or both?

 

[larryd]

im not sure if the turbo was the problem in the first place or not, it may have been the same issue all along..

Anyhow that AGP turbo looks bad ass but I think it would be a bad thing for me becuase of the instant spool means instant spin in my case and though its a direct bolton it would still require a j pipe for the intercooler..

 

[IPT]

It shouldn't require a j-pipe. Just have them rotate the compressor housing and weld an elbow on it. It should be really close to your stock location that way.

 

[97GSTAT]

I'm liking that AGP turbo, but I also saw that it needs a "J" pipe still. Alsowhen do you think they'll have the AGP L1R test stats back. I'm liking that more the the LR2, due to the need of as fast spool-up as possible, automatic . And my car is mainly a daily driver not a strip car.

 

[KenTSIII]

I personally have the AGP L2R already installed & I get 20psi by 3700 rpm. The boost is not exactly what I call "instant" but it spools pretty quick. It's definately a bit laggier than the previous BR20g, but it never falls off up top like the BR20g did. This turbo comes w/ an oil feed line w/ a filter.. so there's no need to purchase that seperately. I think you'll only need a 1g oil return, water feed & water return lines, I'm not totally sure if all of these are needed or if the 2g parts can be reused or not. And depending on the intercooler setup.. you might need a 90 deg pipe or just have a 90deg elbow welded onto the turbo. I'm pretty sure that AGP could weld an elbow on if you wish.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by KenTSIII
I personally have the AGP L2R already installed & I get 20psi by 3700 rpm. The boost is not exactly what I call "instant" but it spools pretty quick. It's definately a bit laggier than the previous BR20g, but it never falls off up top like the BR20g did. This turbo comes w/ an oil feed line w/ a filter.. so there's no need to purchase that seperately. I think you'll only need a 1g oil return, water feed & water return lines, I'm not totally sure if all of these are needed or if the 2g parts can be reused or not. And depending on the intercooler setup.. you might need a 90 deg pipe or just have a 90deg elbow welded onto the turbo. I'm pretty sure that AGP could weld an elbow on if you wish.

congratulation ken, you are now a proud owner of a ball bearing mutt turbo

 

[KenTSIII]

my turbo is not a "mutt"!!! it's a "Mutt Killer".. get it right! Actually if you wanna get technical.. the 1st people to attach garret turbos to mitsu exhaust housings was Magnus motorsports... then Extreme Turbo copied off of them... & magnus then discontinued the Gpumper turbo line. The AGP mits to garret connection is actually alot better than the mutt piece... but I refuse to give away their secrets

 

[larryd]

the turbo doesnt sound to bad.. Im just leary about hitting 20lbs of boost by 3700 since that would be alot of spinning for me..

 

[KenTSIII]

Then look at the L3r.. you'll get 20 psi around 4200... w/ more power potential than a FP red...

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by KenTSIII
my turbo is not a "mutt"!!! it's a "Mutt Killer".. get it right! Actually if you wanna get technical.. the 1st people to attach garret turbos to mitsu exhaust housings was Magnus motorsports... then Extreme Turbo copied off of them... & magnus then discontinued the Gpumper turbo line. The AGP mits to garret connection is actually alot better than the mutt piece... but I refuse to give away their secrets

did the g-pumper use a Garrett t3 turbine wheel like the current mutt's, or did it use a mitsu wheel. i was under the assumption that all the mutt controversy was derived from the fact that the mitsu turbine housing could not efficiently flow enough exhaust across the t3 wheel because the over all turbine housing was to small even when ported? i have no idea, this is not based on any fact. just what i have heard? However to the average onlooker the agp product look a lot like a mutt that's not a bad thing I think its awesome!

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by KenTSIII
Then look at the L3r.. you'll get 20 psi around 4200... w/ more power potential than a FP red...

but the power output of that turbo def would not work with my fuel pump or injectors and I would also probably have to build the block. remember Im gonna be on the stock bottom end now

 

[IPT]

KenTSIII

Any pics of your turbo. I would like to see the turbine wheel from the turbine inlet. they don't ahow any pics like that on their web site.

 

[KenTSIII]

Sorry.. mine is already installed & I didn't take any pics... I have a bunch of pics at home that they sent me & I can look though those when I get home if you wish...

 

[larryd]

whats the stock 7 bolt bottom end good for? power wise?

 

[NJGSX96]

I know a couple people pushing ~325-350HP to the wheels out of their 99s. I guess my 96 has been around 280-290 to the wheels for the past 4 years and no probs (just a guestimate... no dyno to prove). My friend Andre dynoed 418 to the wheels. He drives his car HARD, races nightly and has for about 2 years now. ithin kthe stock 7 bolt can hold some decent power.