No SMIM is worth $1200. DVDTFAB makes very nice stuff but is not priced to compete in my eyes. You can pick up a Magnus race or JMF race smim for under 1k and get the same if not better performance. It does look nice and I don't doubt it will work but $1200 is def to much.
No SMIM is worth $1200. DVDTFAB makes very nice stuff but is not priced to compete in my eyes. You can pick up a Magnus race or JMF race smim for under 1k and get the same if not better performance. It does look nice and I don't doubt it will work but $1200 is def to much.
If you know the aspects of fluid and pulse flow dynamics, and understand how with the plenum shaped as it is, weld cracking is nearly impossible, then you will see the value in the manifold.
It was well worth the investment in my eyes.
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Nice...how did you get the coil mounted on the firewall?
It was a 1g coil bracket that I've modified to fit 2g coils, and be able to mount to a vertical surface.
If you know the aspects of fluid and pulse flow dynamics, and understand how with the plenum shaped as it is, weld cracking is nearly impossible, then you will see the value in the manifold.
It was well worth the investment in my eyes.
It was a 1g coil bracket that I've modified to fit 2g coils, and be able to mount to a vertical surface.
I do and so do magnus and AMS and JMF who make and sell manifolds and don't charge $1200
No SMIM is worth $1200. DVDTFAB makes very nice stuff but is not priced to compete in my eyes. You can pick up a Magnus race or JMF race smim for under 1k and get the same if not better performance. It does look nice and I don't doubt it will work but $1200 is def to much.
Have tests been done with this manifold yet??
If not id have to agree with Slippi84, no manifold is worth that much especially if tests havent been done... at minimum with a Dyno...
Although ive been reading up and the design does look promising, if indeed it outflows alot of other SMIMs, then i wouldnt mind picking one up
To the OP, what kind of SMIM did you have before this?
the benefit is not having 20 billion vacuum lines running to your plenum. You have one large vacuum / boost line running between the plenum / block, and you can then run all your vacuum lines from the block. Just easier than reaching under your plenum every time you need to change out a hose.
the benefit is not having 20 billion vacuum lines running to your plenum. You have one large vacuum / boost line running between the plenum / block, and you can then run all your vacuum lines from the block. Just easier than reaching under your plenum every time you need to change out a hose.
Yup it is a lot better. I have it on my JHR ITB smim and they are all SS lines so I don't worry about leaks either.
The "show me proof" addage applies to both sides of the arguement: Does this one perform as well as which manifold from magnus?
One manifold can produce much better results than another. The magnus intake manifold is about 17% less ($1000) than this DVDT unit. The ams unit is about $300 less. The jmf race manifold costs $812. The question is whether the difference in results merrits the difference in cost, whether $200 or $400.
Let's leave the speculation behind. And ask more "how does it perform?"
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A lot of dough for the DSM market, sure. It's all relative though. Once you step out of the DSM world, all performance parts prices go way up.
Very true Chris but this is a dsm page...you know you started it
As to the how does this manifold compare to the Magnus(race manifold which is 900 not 1000)magnus race manifold has been proven as several members have them on already. So that being said $300 difference is a lot more money especially from a company with all do respect to dvdfab has a reputation for not having the best welds.
The magnus race manifold, nor the $1000 cast magnus manifold, has been proven to perform the same as this manifold or not the same is this manifold. Why not wait until it has been proven? Or prove it yourself? Any more than this simply would be opinion. Unless you can give some clear fluid dynamics theory based on the dimensions of both manifolds?. . .
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The "show me proof" addage applies to both sides of the arguement: Does this one perform as well as which manifold from magnus?
One manifold can produce much better results than another. The magnus intake manifold is about 17% less ($1000) than this DVDT unit. The ams unit is about $300 less. The jmf race manifold costs $812. The question is whether the difference in results merrits the difference in cost, whether $200 or $400.
Let's leave the speculation behind. And ask more "how does it perform?"
Matt I understand but there is no way that this thing is $300 better than the magnus and AMS units. Not to say it can't outperform them because that would be speculation but for another $300 for most people you would have to see 20-30whp difference and I'm sorry I don't see that happening.
Magnus and AMS both have dyno sheets of their manifolds up on their pages which show that they dyno prove their performance show me some dyno's from this manifold and then it will be worth even talking about them in the same light.
Magnus V5 Cast Aluminum EVO Intake Manifold
Over 10 years ago, Magnus Motorsports released its first Sheet Metal Intake Manifold into the market place and it quickly became the standard within the Mitsubishi Racing community. After almost 2 years in development, we would like to introduce you to the next big thing. The Magnus Motorsports V5 Cast Aluminum EVO Intake Manifold.
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* 2 years of research and development
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* Can be installed in stock location with clearance for original battery (with adaptor)
* Install kits feature heat barrier gaskets, and adaptor plate to run stock throttle bodies (easily upgradeable). Remote map sensor boss is optional for use with factory ECU's
* Stock turbo gains up to 40HP
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V5 Cast Aluminum EVO Intake Manifold $999.00
Stock EVO - OEM vs Magnus
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GT3037 EVO - OEM vs Magnus
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Magnus Street Intake Manifold
Proven to make over 40 hp at the wheels on Mitsubishi applications!
These manifolds offer excellent spool up characteristics and huge top end power increases over the factory intake manifold. Featuring a velocity stack design, and CNC machined flanges, all of our intakes manifolds are hand made and welded by our craftsmen in-house to ensure the strictest in quality standards.
Weighing in at a scant 6lbs vs. the factory's portly 15 pounds, and mirror polished at no extra charge, you can see why it is the top choice among Mitsubishi tuners, racers and streetcars alike.
The DSM intake manifold has been updated for 2005 featuring .125" material all around, and CNC radiused velocity stacks at no extra charge.
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We offer direct Nitrous plumbing and nitrous installation on, Nitrous bungs, Larger throttle body flanges, additional bosses, additional fuel rails for staged injection. We also design custom and one-off intake manifolds for your application.
View Image 1G DSM Street Intake manifold
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $600.00
View Image 2G DSM Street Intake manifold
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $600.00
View Image EVO I - EVO III Street Intake manifold
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $600.00
View Image EVO I - EVO III Steet Intake manifold (Right Hand Drive)
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $600.00
View Image EVO IV to EVO IX Street Intake manifold
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $650.00
View Image 1G DSM Street Intake manifold for RWD Conversion
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $600.00
Throttle Body Flange Options:
* 1G Stock 90-94
* 2G Stock 95-99
* EVO Stock
* Ford 4.6L 75mm
* Ford 5.0L 75mm
* Nissan Q45
* 95mm with O-Ring Groove
N/C
Option 1 - OEM map sensor boss for EVO/2G add $30.00
View Image Option 2 - Additional fuel rail bosses (8 injectors total) and secondary fuel rail mounts add $250.00
View Image Option 3 - Nitrous bungs add $25.00
Option 4 - Magnus tight elbow for SMIM - stock throttle body $75.00
Option 5 - Mustang 5.0 75mm throttle body w/TPS sensor $285.00
Magnus Race Intake Manifold
Always at the forefront of Mitsubishi racing and research and development, we are proud to offer our newest version of the RACE intake manifold the Magnus SPL intake.
Through our research and development of the 4G63 engine, higher and higher rev limits have become far more commonplace in the racing world. Ever increasing turbo size and advancing engine design, have allowed us to achieve greater gains by altering the size of the plenum reservoir for Drag racing applications.
Racers the world over have relied on our intake manifolds, and engine packages to take them to the winners circle, and now, with our constantly advancing engine design and High RPM cylinder head packages, we have further fine tuned our intake manifold to accommodate high rpm breathing.
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Special Race Intake Manifold
Magnus Race Intake (1G RWD shown)
Intake Manifold Comparison - Street vs Race
1G DSM Race Intake Manifold
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $900.00
View Image 2G DSM Race Intake Manifold
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $900.00
View Image EVO I - EVO III Race Intake manifold
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $900.00
View Image EVO I - EVO III Race Intake manifold (Right Hand Drive)
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $900.00
View Image EVO IV to EVO IX Race Intake Manifold
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $900.00
View Image 1G DSM Race Intake manifold for RWD Conversion
Comes with your choice of throttle body flange (from list below) $900.00
Throttle Body Flange Options:
* 1G DSM Stock 90-94
* 2G DSM Stock 95-99
* EVO Stock
* Ford 4.6L 75mm
* Ford 5.0L 75mm
* Nissan Q45
* 95mm with O-Ring Groove
N/C
Option 1 - OEM map sensor boss for EVO/2G add $30.00
View Image Option 2 - Additional fuel rail bosses (8 injectors total) and secondary fuel rail mounts add $250.00
View Image Option 3 - Nitrous bungs add $25.00
Option 4 - Magnus tight elbow for SMIM - stock throttle body $75.00
Option 5 - Mustang 5.0 75mm throttle body w/TPS sensor $285.00
Heat Barrier Gaskets
Heat Barrier Gasket Magnus' heat barrier gasket replaces the stock gasket and forms a heat barrier between the intake manifold and the cylinder head. This dramatically reduced intake temperatures.
DIY Throttle Body Flanges
1G DSM Stock 90-94 $40.00
2G DSM Stock 95-99 $40.00
EVO Stock $40.00
Ford 5.0L 75mm Mustang Flange $40.00
Ford 4.6L 75mm Mustang Flange $40.00
Nissan Q45 $40.00
95mm with O-Ring Groove $40.00
Check out our Fuel, Electrical, Transmissions, Engines and Internals, and Exhaust Manifolds pages for additional products you may need to finish your project.
especially from a company which all do respect to dvdfab has a reputation for not having the best welds.
I've never had a single issue, welding or otherwise, with my DV/DT FMIC that I didn't cause myself (I had an oil pressure gauge sender eat its way through half of the lower intercooler pipe, but that was my own dumb fault for routing it that way.)
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I have never owned a dv/dt fab fmic but there is a thread on here about them and more than one person has brought up the welds. I won't lean either way on that issue but simply for the fact that it is a issue I would need proof before buying something that would require those same said welding skills to be reliable. I'm not saying this thing is bad or won't work but $1200 for a smim is just silly
Albert warranty's his welding for LIFE of the product as long as misuse is not involved. No one can weld every product 100% and know for certain (especially pressurized aluminum parts) that a weld will not fail.
Matt I understand but there is no way that this thing is $300 better than the magnus and AMS units. Not to say it can't outperform them because that would be speculation but for another $300 for most people you would have to see 20-30whp difference and I'm sorry I don't see that happening.
Yes that is all speculation. Let's allow results to be voiced instead of speculation. That's all that needs to be said. I'm just trying to turn away 500 post of "this manifold is worth it"/"this manifold is not worth it". You happened to be the first one to do so. There's still nothing pasted or linked concerning results of the dvdt manifold. Let's wait and see.
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dd '90 GST, Holset H1C
Albert warranty's his welding for LIFE of the product as long as misuse is not involved. No one can weld every product 100% and know for certain (especially pressurized aluminum parts) that a weld will not fail.
Very true which is why I wouldn't say anything bad about the company just what has been said by others who have seen or owned the part. My point isn't to discredit this manifold or stray people away from it's performance but spending $1200 on a smim is again silly. I would say what it really is but I don't want to insult you or anyone else that has or is going to buy it at that price.
If you keep letting these companies charge you out the rear for stuff they will just keep doing it. Like I see turbo's going for like $1600 when you can get something similar in performance and reliability for hundreds less. It's not just isolated to this manifold but this is a prime example. The old magnus design used to be on every other car on this site and went for like $600 and made 30-40whp more than stock with teh right turbo and tuning. Now they make them look a little nicer and maybe make another 15-20whp if you max it out and sell it for twice the price.(I know Matt will say that these numbers are speculation which he's right but if anything speculation high. If your current manifold is not restricting flow you CAN go too big and decrease velocity which will then not gain you any more hp until more flow is present)
(I know Matt will say that these numbers are speculation which he's right but if anything speculation high. If your current manifold is not restricting flow you CAN go too big and decrease velocity which will then not gain you any more hp until more flow is present)
