How bad did I screw up?

[PharmEcis]

Ok here is the situation. I decided to keep my talon and install the final items necessary to get her running. Cleaning through the garage today I found the extra set of head studs I had ordered. Before I did the 6 bolt swap I was going to replace the headgasket and head studs on my 7 bolt. For shits and giggles I went and checked the part # of the unopened box of studs I had and DOH! )(*%)(@#$%*@#$

I put the 7 bolt head studs into the 6 bolt. What exactly is the difference between the 2 studs and am I going to have to pull the head off to replace the studs or would I be ok running w/ the 7 bolt studs in the 6 bolt block?

Greg

 

[project_tsi]

I don't see how you could have done that w/out knowing something was wrong. See, 6 bolts use a 12mm head stud whereas 7 bolts use a 11mm head stud, so I don't think, may be wrong, but I dont think the 11mm studs would thread in properly into the 12mm 6 bolt hole. See what Im saying? Is there ANY way you could have put the correct studs in and forgot?

 

[PharmEcis]

absolutely no way I put the right ones in. I've got the studs sitting here in an opened box. Still packing tape sealing it closed. When I installed them, they threaded in just fine. The pitch on the stud is probably the same but I think I do recall noticing that they were slightly smaller than the opening.

Damnit, looks like I've got to pull that head off and redo the timing part again.. (@#)*)@(#$%

 

[TimG]

Damnit, looks like I've got to pull that head off and redo the timing part again.. (@#)*)@(#$%

Yup. I would put the 6-bolt studs in the 6-bolt motors. Though the 7-bolt studs do fit the 6-bolt motors with extra clearance, 6-bolt studs will not fit 7-bolt motors.

 

[project_tsi]

The ARP head studs thread in w/ an allen wrench. Is there any way you could pull the valve cover, pull the nuts off the studs, then back the studs out w/ an allen w/out actually puling the head? And there's gotta be a diff. in them or else they wouldn't sell 2 dif. sets.

 

[PharmEcis]

hrm.. thats a good idea, maybe I can try replacing them one at a time and retorqueing them down so I don't have to pull the timing belt section apart. That would be a pita as the engine is now installed in the car and all I had to do was bolt up the turbo and exhaust!

%)@#($* heh

 

[project_tsi]

I don't know if it will work though, the studs may be too long, and get cought up on the vavle spings, or something else upon removal. At least you can try.

 

[IllEagl]

Just do them one at a time...you will be fine

 

[GST-RIDER 95]

What is the torque down spec on the 6 bolt ones in comparison with the 7 bolt arp head bolts.

 

[IllEagl]

Stock torque specs are 80ft/lbs

 

[GST-RIDER 95]

Thanks reason why I ask is because some friends of mine helped me install my head yesterday and we torqued the 7 bolt ARP studs on my car to 77 lbs using the included grease.
But the box listed a 90 lbs torque pressure using 30w oil.
So should I bring it up to an even 80

 

[IllEagl]

I usually do 85-90 ft/lbs

 

[project_tsi]

Yeah a always go 5-10 lbs over.

 

[PharmEcis]

Ok I'm a double moron. #1.. I had the right studs in there. I forgot that I had sent the set of 7 bolt ARP studs back to SBR to exchange for 6 bolt studs. Then I finally got the 6 bolt studs from the guy I bought the engine from who promised them. Of course it took 2 months to get them from him after I gave him the money . Thank god I found out he was on probation. It's amazing what a threat of a call to a PO can make someone do.. heheh

So I put the right ones in the first time, and the extras was exactly that.

Whew.. thank god cuz From what I saw it wouldn't be too bad to replace the studs anyways even w/ the head still on but I'm glad I didn't have to.

and wh000p I bought another 95 tsi awd tonight... hehehehehe Maybe I will put those studs to use afterall..

 

[project_tsi]

Well thats good news. So you have an extra set of 6 bolt head studs? The 95 is a 7 bolt, so Ill take them off your hands for all the hard work I did for you......

 

[PharmEcis]

This one will probably get a 6 bolt iswap like the first one hehe