fp big 28 vs pte 50trim

[highintenzity4]

I have been searching for the right turbo upgrade and these 2 are my final choices. Which would you recommend? Im looking for quarter mile performance? Also what about the scm34? Thank you.

 

[EvolvingGST]

do you know those 2 turbos are like in 2 different leagues comparitively against each other... so if you want a 1/4 turbo the 50 trim will probably blow the T28 out of the water and some.... so yeah....

 

[highintenzity4]

forced performance did run a 11.8 with the fp big 28. thank you for your response.

 

[lowridin2g]

, and everyone has still yet to see the " full weight gsx" that ran this time or even a timeslip

i wonder why

 

[paul s]

Ets don't mean much,, MPH means much more..I would take 12/123mph over 11.8/115mph..

 

[EvolvingGST]

forced performance did run a 11.8 with the fp big 28. thank you for your response.

11.8 on what mods? and in a GSX full weight there are some DSMers who run 50 trim and run low 12s on pump gas...

Was the 11.8 on race gas? that makes a lot of difference, what other mods did it have... You want to get fresh with everything, learn the spec of the turbos.... The 50 trim has like 50 differenct combos which one you looking to get? did they use nitrous?

11.8 on one car does NOT impress me... You want to show me other cars with that turbo that has even run 11s... FYI most people who run T28s barely get into 12s... what makes this turbo THAT much better. T28s run 300-350 if they are lucky and maxed out.

Most 50 trim set ups pull around like 400-500 whp... that actually means something...

You ask for our opinions but you want to spout crap out like you know, then don't ask us. If you think you can be the exception to get that BT28 then you can be one of the 2 cars that has run 11s in the 1/4... FYI AGAIN... you know that those numbers are from a car that is probably tuned to its max.. Which most tuners wont see in their life times... This car was built by the shop.

Thank you, have a nice day, and good luck with your setup.

-J

 

[highintenzity4]

Whoa calm down. im not acting like i know everything, i was simply asking a question. I wanted to know if that time was possible with the fp28. I previously owned a WRX and I traded it with my brother for a GS-T. This was about a couple of weeks ago, so excuse my simple questions at times. I come here because I heard you guys really know plenty about DSM's, but if you guys are going to flame over simple questions, I wont ask. Thank you.

 

[EvolvingGST]

Its not asking the question its the way you presented yourself after, if you read most of my post I am a really nice guy. If someone tells you something listen to it, doesnt have to be right and you might disagree with it, but you listen first and hear what everyone has to say instead of jumping into it. You obviously ran into a fight swinging without even knowing whats going on.

Just to let you know we welcome questions, and you question has been asked like 50x before and if you did a simple search you would have even found your response. I told you your answer and you jumped on me....

BTW you own a GST, 11s with a T28 is like impossible if a AWD did it in only a 11.8. I own a GST too, and I started a while ago with the knowledge I have a disadvantage in the 1/4, I obviously picked my T3/T4 for a reason. We have a joke amoung all my friends with AWD... They say man your car is gonna be hella fast, I say hahaha yeah it only took me 100 more hp to run the same ETs as you guys..

 

[highintenzity4]

I had no intentions of jumping on you, I put it to hear some explanations on how that was possible. You gave it to me, thank you. Sorry if I sounded like I was jumping on you. Next time I will do a search. Hey is the PTE 50 trim around the same as your turbo? Could I expect low 12s with the PTE 50 trim? Thank you for your help.

 

[dsmayhem]

http://www.dsmtimes.org/fwd.htm

 

[highintenzity4]

I saw low 13s with the PTE 50 Trim. I take it no? Is the scm 34 turbo more capable of low 12's? Thanks for that link.

 

[Devicex]

The 50trim is definately capable of low 12s, but being FWD that would be a stretch without alot, and I mean alot, of support and traction. I've owned both of these exact turbos, they are indeed in two different leagues, if you're looking for 1/4 mile times then the 50trim is your choice. The big28 is a very capable little turbo, but it wont produce the type of power/times you are looking to achieve.

 

[Devicex]

Since some people process information better visually, here are the two side-by-side:

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[turbotalon92]

My 480whp FWD was only able to run 11.9@124mph on smaller slicks. You are going to be hard pressed to get FWD in 12 and below category with out alot of suspension upgrades and big slicks.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

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yes..

50trim >>> t28

 

[highintenzity4]

Is there a down side to the pte scm34? 57trim i think. Its rated at 545hp why dont many people buy it?

 

[sweet97]

I have a '93 AWD and recently purchased a complete EVO III kit. Exhaust manifold, 02 housing and turbo, ALL PORTED. I must say I am somewhat dissapointed. I have a ss2.5" mandrel exhaust, no cat. 550cc injectors and a GM MAF set up as a blow thru. I too see rally quick times with this turbo that I questioned on the Buschur site. Guys running low 12's and even high 11's when I feel mine is a high 13 as it is right now. TUNING. I have a widebandA/F meter but need to get a pocketlogger.
I am considering a 50 trim or the GT-10/11 sold by slowboyracing.
There are a lot of 50 trims available so how does one deceide what housings and turbine wheel are the best?
If the GT-10 spools like a big 16G with the flow of a 20G maybe it's worth the $1400. I would have to pay.
What are the say best 3 or 5 50 trims available? Thanks, mark
PS: sorry to jump in but I agree that the t28 will dissapoint you big time so you must deceide which 50 trim. From what have read the 50 trim will hit 25 PSI 1000 RPM's quicker than the 57 tim so that's why the 57 is not as popular. mark

 

[cait sith]

It's called knowing what the hell you're doing with tuning.

DSMer's can't tune worth jack, and it's quite obvious from the post above me that this statement is complete in spades.

You can throw the biggest, most efficient Garret GT Ball Bearing turbo that can push 600 WHP and barely push 300 horsepower if you're just throwing parts on and doing marginal fuel tuning so the car idles right.

Say it again with me, TUNING IS EVERYTHING.

 

[sweet97]

TUNING is certainly the trick. There are guys doing 12's with the 14b, a K&N and exhaust. Probably some race fuel to allow boost above 20 PSI also. I bought tuning equiptment from the classifieds on this site tht was faulty from the get go and a replacement palm did not solve the problem. Poclketlogger is next. I have run my car at 22 PSI and a 12+:1 A/F and it screamed. Revved so quick in first that I watched the tach hit 7500 before I could react!! From what I have gathered tuning is somewhat of an art, perhaps more than mechanics.
Perhaps when I have gotten a frontmount and become familiar with tuning the EVO will satisfy. If I had to do it again I would choose the 50 trim as tuning has to be done with any turbo, even as I have seen the 14G.
Perhaps the writer of the post ahead of me will be willing to assist through email and possibly the phone when I get the new logging equiptment. I did not get the feeling he was including himself when he said DSM'ers can't tune and beng computer illiterate I will humbly need all of the help the members are willing to share! Thanks, Mark('93TalonAWD)

 

[Grn95GST]

Here is a good example of what good tuning and driving can equate to on a FWD. He has 60ft times that are very impressive.

http://www.94tsiawd.com/Goodwill.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120266&highlight=goodwill

 

[Generation X]

, and everyone has still yet to see the " full weight gsx" that ran this time or even a timeslip

i wonder why

IMO FP is a well proven shop that doesn't need to show proof of the full weight GSX, and or time slip of that run. I have personally talked to Robert at FP about that run, and all he had done at the time was 1g tb, 1g intake manifold, and 1g head which significally flows more than the 2g head, seems like everybody forgets that. He was also running HKS cams as well, and was running 21psi with race gas. Dennis Grant made 348 whp and 376 ft lbs. of torque with the Big28 while running 24 psi on race gas, without the aid of cams. The FP Big28 not T-28 has plenty of potential in the right hands. I currently run the FP ported Big28 not T-28 with HKS 264/272 cams at 20 psi on pump gas, and the car pulls like a champ. Although I do agree the 50 trim will blow it away hands down, theres no comparison.

 

[DSMJim]

Ets don't mean much,, MPH means much more..I would take 12/123mph over 11.8/115mph..

Uhh you got that backwards. MPH doesn't mean squat. You can run 15's at 150mph your car is still slow. The ONLY thing that matters is ET. That's the whole point of drag racing is to get there in the fastest time possible, not the highest MPH possible.

Anybody who is interested in 1/4 mile will ALWAYS take 11.8 @ any mph over 12 anything at eleventybillion mph. Thats the whole point. With that said, MPH is a good indication of HP and that your making hp, however if you really wanna know that then goto the dyno. Thats the place to find out how much HP your making.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

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sorry i just dont see the difference.

 

[byondevl]

, and everyone has still yet to see the " full weight gsx" that ran this time or even a timeslip

i wonder why

A guy from alaskamotorsports ran a 11.9 i belive with the big28. Paul robaina.
#5 fastest AT dsm.

just some input.

 

[95TSiNewbie]

Well I can get my ahnds on a FP Big T-28 for $450 with les then 300 miles on it (friend crashed his car) but if I had the money for a 50trim id be all over it.