ok guys, i need some help now

[eclipsegsx9797]

was up, i cant decide on which setup to get for my head and block. let me start by saying, ive done millions of searches and i know what works good and what is over kill but i need some others to help me choose. well let me start buy telling you what im looking for:

I want a mid 11's for my fastest time.
im not to concern with hp because the 1/4 is what talks.
so its pretty simple what i want now ill tell you what some of my minor bolt ones are.

agp 50 trim garret kit
sperico fmic
660 injectors
magnus intake manifold
act2600 clutch(not that this matters much)
hks 272's cams

Now im not even going to post what i was thinking of doing for the head and block but if you guys could give me some info on what you guys would do. and for those of you who are running these times right now if you could state what you have and if its running safe. im looking for something that will handle these numbers safe.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

com'on guys someone give me some imput on what to do.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

i guess ill give you guys alittle more info on what im tring to do for this next summer.

this summer im looking to run between 11.4-11.9 on pump gas, tuned with dsmlink(yes i know tunning is key and it will take some work).

my mods ill be using for this summer are
magnus intake manifold
1gt/b
agp race fmic
agp 50 trim t/3t/4 kit
full 3'' exhaust
dsmlink
660 injectors
supra fuel pump
the gauges i need and controls
tial bov
gm maft setup.

this is just to give you guys alittle more info on what im tring to do this with. im almost certian on the setup im going to do but looking for more input, thanks guys.

 

[candela]

If you already have all of that than keep it, tune it and run 11's... you really shouldn't have much problem doing so unless you cant tune, something goes wrong or you are a crap driver.....

Leave your motor alone; no need to dig into it for no reason.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

no im only looking for info about the block and head setup, everything i listed is what im going to run.

 

[Suparata]

If your engine is in bad shape sell it for parts and have a strong 6 bolt built for you.
If your engine is in decent shape sell it to somebody who needs a replacement engine on their 2nd gen grocery getter and have a strong 6 bolt built for you.
Then you go out and tune the best out of it.
Eagle,Crower, Ross, Wisseco, JE, ARP, Align Hone, Decked Block, 1st Gen built head, High Performance Valvetrain Components would be your best choices. You can also have an Hybrid or a Stroker( six bolts of course) or what ever your hearth desire and your wallet allows.
Mitch.

 

[candela]

Well I just assume theres no need take out a good motor and rebuild/build it up.

Stock 4G63 (6 or 7) should get you to those goals just fine as long as the compression is good and you can tune. Why takeout a good motor if you can use it and save that much money? Maybe I am the only one that has faith in stock settups now

 

[Suparata]

Originally posted by eclipsegsx9797
was up, i cant decide on which setup to get for my head and block. let me start by saying, ive done millions of searches and i know what works good and what is over kill but i need some others to help me choose. well let me start buy telling you what im looking for:...

I want a mid 11's for my fastest time....


Now im not even going to post what i was thinking of doing for the head and block but if you guys could give me some info on what you guys would do. and for those of you who are running these times right now if you could state what you have and if its running safe. im looking for something that will handle these numbers safe.

I was under the impression that he intends to do some engine work by reading the above. "Some thing that will handle these numbers safe".
Now I'm not saying that a good stock engine cannot handle this . It's just a question of "for how long" it will handle it. Some engines that are in really good shape which are tuned right hold on for a long time but they will eventually give up because they are "old" and they were not built to do eleven's on a day to day basis.
Just because some stock engines ran impressive numbers out there does not mean that all "used" engines can do that too.
There are just too many "failed rebuilds" out there which made a lot of people say that it is safer to beat the shit out of a stock tired engine than to "take a chance" with a rebuilt/improved one. I totally disagree with this.

Bottom line he was asking about what engine work he should do to make things better and not just for a short period and I'd try to invest in a more reliable engine than what he has right now.

Mitch

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

well i am keeping my stock 7 bolt till it goes on me, but when it does i was thinking of a few diffrent setups to go with. reason im posting this is because i want to be safe but not waste money. i was thinking of going with ross/eagle combo,arp headstuds, and a stock 2g head with mild port i/e and 272's.

i was also thinking of just going with a 91 big rods/ross combo aswell.and a completely stock 2g head. 6 bolt of course

pretty much im set and i know everthing witch is safe and over kill, just looking for more info from others so i do make the right choice.

 

[My96AWD]

i like the eagle/ross combo myself. thats what i use. cheap and good. stock 2g head should get you there. but i like 1gs slight port with bigger valves better if your pushing alot of air through them. if you want i have a 6bolt long block sitting here that i could redo for you. but you have to send me a 2g motor mount.

 

[Suparata]

Originally posted by eclipsegsx9797
well i am keeping my stock 7 bolt till it goes on me, but when it does i was thinking of a few diffrent setups to go with. reason im posting this is because i want to be safe but not waste money. i was thinking of going with ross/eagle combo,arp headstuds, and a stock 2g head with mild port i/e and 272's.

i was also thinking of just going with a 91 big rods/ross combo aswell.and a completely stock 2g head. 6 bolt of course

pretty much im set and i know everthing witch is safe and over kill, just looking for more info from others so i do make the right choice.

I'm not sure what do you want to do:
1 Keep the stock engine untouched for now and build something else later or
2 Rebuild the 7 bolt now
If 1 than it will not be safer and you are not saving money; you are just postpone things for later and loose money instead of making some in the process.
If 2 than it will not be safer and you are not saving money; you are just throwing your money out the window.

Like I said the best you can do is sell your 7 Bolt to somebody who wants a used 7Bolt stock replacement and really save money this way and be safe at the same time. This way you make somebody happy, make some money that can help you build a 6Bolt the way you want it. A complete one with a 1G head too.
How many miles on the 7Bolt?
Mitch.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

my 7 bolt has 124k miles on it hehe. running 12 flat and having that many miles is pretty good i think. what it has come down to is jus wait til my motor goes then build. now this is what im thinking of doing.

6bolt of course
ross/eagle combo
clevit bearings
arp hardware

send my head to bj or sbr and have them clean it, new seals and maybe a mild port on the i/e side.
with 272' cams.

i think that will be perfect to get me to 11's.

i mean com'on i ran a 12 flat with stock 2g motor.

 

[RipperXX]

You could just get a 6bolt head and bolt it onto your 7bolt block... then when that engine goes just clean it up and set it on a new 6bolt short block.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

ya i was thinking of that but whats the point of going to a 1g head when the 2g will get me what i want. i dont wanna spend money on something i dont need. yes i know the ports are bigger

 

[candela]

Jeez Suprata you really are passionate about people building blocks huh?

In my experience 11's on a stock motor is pans out to be as reliable as a noob with a hacked can and a 14b@18psi with no fuel mods at all.....

The only reason I suggest staying stock (block I mean) is because its good Why throw away a good block or "sell it" if it will get him what he wants? That just does not make sense to me.... There are plenty of peopel pushing lots of power through "used" blocks: IMO used does not mean it won't hold. My case is very slight but I was running what he was on a stock 145k motor (never opened at all). I retorques the studs and had fun on it.... I sold it and I shouldn't have.

If 1 than it will not be safer and you are not saving money; you are just postpone things for later and loose money instead of making some in the process.

I do not know what is safer fo rhis goal about a ross/eagle combo. Could be just me, but I know people that run 11's do not wake up in teh morning warm up the car and run quarer miles ALL day long then TT it and go to sleep...

I would be willing to go on a limb and say that you are denoucing the 7 bolt for crankwalk issues (cause they can hole 400whp reliably); he has 124k on the clock and is ok thus far.


Its exciting to "build" a block and you "can" take advantage of it, but will you? IMO there is NO reason at all to ditch stockers if they are holding up and will get your goals. If that motor has good compression and is holding up, throw some cams in it and freshen the head and enjoy. Somethign happens then put a block in... but until then you do not know your block is "junk" or "unsafe"

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

o ya im keeping the block for aslong as it last, but im sure with what im doing now and going to be putting out this next summer. im sure my motor will go, im just looking ahead so im ready.

 

[dsmturboawd]

Originally posted by candela
Well I just assume theres no need take out a good motor and rebuild/build it up.

Stock 4G63 (6 or 7) should get you to those goals just fine as long as the compression is good and you can tune. Why takeout a good motor if you can use it and save that much money? Maybe I am the only one that has faith in stock settups now

amen. im getting sick of hearing about building 4g63's and swapping 7 for 6 bolts. its like everyone that had a honda sold it and bought a dsm.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

well if you motor goes for some reason, cw, blown or some reason that you have to get in there why not go to a 6 bolt.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

wow where did turbos come into this talk. im only looking for opinions one what block and head setup i should do.

 

[dsmturboawd]

Originally posted by eclipsegsx9797
wow where did turbos come into this talk. im only looking for opinions one what block and head setup i should do.

stock 7 bolt will get you to your goals, stock 6 bolt will get you there and farther.