Horsepower on GS or RS with Turbo

[95blackGsTurbo]

Just wanna know what kinda turbo's you guys are choosing besides the comming T3/T4 and what kinda horsepower you are putting out with the turbo. I wanna know what a N/T with turbo is capable of. Insurance is kinda high so I/m thinking of buying N/T and converting. Just tell me what kinda turbo and what kinda HP you make.

 

[Groomz]

Way to general a question. I would say stay away from the N/T's ( hope they aren't trolling the 4G63 boards right now ) just because you would end up needing new engine internals and an upgraded drivetrain before the turbo guys would. And the N/T turbo kits will put the price at the same ( or most likely above ) the cost of a factory turbo DSM. Most N/T guys run the T3/T4 setups ( Honda guys too ) because that big turbo makes alot of cool boost for low boost applications, and N/T's need all the knock control they can get. If you are surrounded by low price bling N/Ts and you can't resist getting one, then use a Hahn Racecraft turbo kit. They are rated at around 275 crank hp.

 

[RSPhil]

There are two kits, star and HRC. Star uses t3/t4, HRC uses 16g and 20g. The N/A's have dynoed 300+ horsepower, but not after a lot of mods. I'm N/A with a turbo kit, take it from me, keep your car, because the 4g63 bottom end is practically bullet proof compared to the chrysler's 420a. Anything after 8psi (on stock high compression), will need a stronger bottom end. If your worried about the higher insurance your paying, remember that you've gotten yourself into an expensive hobby. Either way, your gonna be shipping out a lot of dough, but hey...someone's gotta do it.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

I think im just gonna find a 97-99 GS-T or GSX and put the insurance in my parents name. Or there is always the option of the 3g supercharged Seen one of those, thats it.

 

[green95hrcgs]

Yeah if you ALREADY HAVE a GST then it would make NO sense in getting an N/T to turbo.

I have a S16G with my HRC kit and I am putting out 264@wheels and 272.5 ft/lbs at 14psi. Not too shabby for now till I get my fuel system sorted out, but keep in mind that I have a completely built motor---head and bottom end. The car has MUCH more potential once the fuel system is done. I must say that it has been a LOT of work to get to this point.

You can make power with your car without going through everything that I have with mine. Keep your car IMO.

If you really just want to be different and want a big project then go for it. Otherwise just mod the car you have.

Good Luck!

 

[lawdaman]

True, if you already have the GS-T then for God's sake KEEP IT! But like you said, your having insurance issues. If your not scared of payments there are always the new 4dr turbo cars you can buy from the dealerships. The Mazdaspeed Protege is doing good. The stock turbo sucks ass but the block is really strong. Once you upgrade the turbo and slap a boost controller on there, the motor can put out some serious power. And there's always the 05' Neon SRT-4 (420A WOOHoOoO!!) coming with a claimed 255HP with an upgraded ECU and Fuel system. From what I've been told the 04' models have some recalls on them. Something's defective with the oil pumps or something. Might wanna stay away from them until they straighten it out.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

I think im gonna leave the DSM community if i sell my car and cant find another gst or gsx. just wanna nice one with 16g and no exterior mods except front lip and fmic, if that counts. Looking at a 93 rx7 r1 right now.

 

[lawdaman]

NO! Rotary is the enemy! Hell I can barely understand how the damn things work. Gave a flash back to last years Moroso Winter Nationals. This guy from Trinidad yelling through a bull horn (right behind me!!) everytime he saw a RX-7 or one of it's earlier forms "Its not nissan or a little mixed-up honda! It's Rotary baby!"

 

[green95hrcgs]

Rotary motors are ticking time-bombs, unless you tear them down to put in larger apex seals and replace all the old vacuum hoses. From there, as long as you upgrade the cooling system from there it should be fine. Thats quite a lot of work, money and time.

But it is common knowledge that rotary motors that reach upwards of 80,000 miles on the odometer tend to start needing quite a bit of care to keep them running reliably.

Dont get me wrong, they are beautiful cars and can be very fast, but if you want something that insurance wont kill you on, as well as a NOT require lots of maintenance, I would stay away from the RX-7's.

If you wait and look around, I am sure that you can find another DSM thats in pretty good shape etc.

Good luck!!

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

some kid totaled his 94 rx-7 so he is gonna give me his motor with 91,000 on it and i was planning on rebuiling the whole things cause i have an uncle that has a 93 R1 chassis PERFECT with a blown motor he will sell me for lke 2000. so im gonna definatly make this a horsepower car. But i wont decide until spring so i have time to search for nice dsm pushing around 3-350+ hp

 

[lawdaman]

Originally posted by 95bLaCkGsTuRbO
some kid totaled his 94 rx-7 so he is gonna give me his motor with 91,000 on it and i was planning on rebuiling the whole things cause i have an uncle that has a 93 R1 chassis PERFECT with a blown motor he will sell me for lke 2000. so im gonna definatly make this a horsepower car. But i wont decide until spring so i have time to search for nice dsm pushing around 3-350+ hp

You going to try to find an already modified DSM? Where the hell is the fun in that? That's like dating on a female thats already been turned out... Trust me. If you dont have to, you dont wanna be where some other dude has already ripped through. Too much baggage...Wait, what was talking about?

 

[jayden1]

My buddy mark has a 94 rx 7 and it has 37k on it and its nothing but problems. I think someone beat the crap out of it before he bought it. Needless to say its for sale. Its a beautiful car and fast when it runs.

 

[siueclipse]

Originally posted by Groomz
Way to general a question. I would say stay away from the N/T's ( hope they aren't trolling the 4G63 boards right now ) just because you would end up needing new engine internals and an upgraded drivetrain before the turbo guys would. And the N/T turbo kits will put the price at the same ( or most likely above ) the cost of a factory turbo DSM. Most N/T guys run the T3/T4 setups ( Honda guys too ) because that big turbo makes alot of cool boost for low boost applications, and N/T's need all the knock control they can get. If you are surrounded by low price bling N/Ts and you can't resist getting one, then use a Hahn Racecraft turbo kit. They are rated at around 275 crank hp.

jesus.. you just need to leave this forum and never look back.. more than half of what you said sounds like its coming from your ass.

we have a better built drivetrain than you do retard. our tranny's are built for 500hp. yours aren't. a t3/t4 doesn't make "cool boost".. jesus.. the t3/4 spools so late it sucks in my opinion.

349whp at 19lbs of boost - 20g turbo setup

edit: furthermore.. im sick and tired of the awd guys coming in here and either giving bullshit advise about what kits to buy for the 420a or simply saying.. buy a gst or gsx..

 

[REDnFlyin]

Originally posted by siueclipse
jesus.. you just need to leave this forum and never look back.. more than half of what you said sounds like its coming from your ass.

we have a better built drivetrain than you do retard. our tranny's are built for 500hp. yours aren't. a t3/t4 doesn't make "cool boost".. jesus.. the t3/4 spools so late it sucks in my opinion.

349whp at 19lbs of boost - 20g turbo setup

edit: furthermore.. im sick and tired of the awd guys coming in here and either giving bullshit advise about what kits to buy for the 420a or simply saying.. buy a gst or gsx..

Your not necessarily right there siueclipse. 420a trannys can handle a lot but the axles cannot. There are several AWD and FWD turbo DSMs running more than 450hp on stock axles and driveshafts. Also you obviously have never owned a t3/t4 so you should not be giving advice about turbos you clearly know nothing about. T3/T4s might take a little longer to spool but the gains in the end are that much better. T3/T4s come in several sizes and to say they all suck is plain ignorant.

A properly tuned 420a with a 20G should be close to 400hp. If you have the extra money to spend now and insurance costs are a concern then you should go with your 420a. Do all the research you can about both options before you jump into it.

 

[birdman]

420a trannys are for the most part better then the gst gsx models but thats my opinion just becuase i always hear of gst/gsx trannys going but that also could be becuase the gst gsx trannys are beat on all the time by most drivers out havin fun. our axles do suck because i snap them at 10psi. but to say a t3/t4 sucks is just plain pathetic. maybe if you had a t3/t4 you wouldnt be having to go from a 16g to a 20g to a 25g turbo like you are now. both star and hahn racecraft comes with parts you need to replace or should replace. def explore all your options gst/gsx and insurance or 420a with which kit to get.

 

[siueclipse]

actually.. i should have stated why the t3/t4 sucks. im more into autocross than i am into drag.. therefore the hahn turbo is better for me because it spools quicker.

 

[REDnFlyin]

Originally posted by siueclipse
actually.. i should have stated why the t3/t4 sucks. im more into autocross than i am into drag.. therefore the hahn turbo is better for me because it spools quicker.

OK first you misinform people by stating that the T3/T4 sucks when you don't have any information to back it up. The spool time on a good T3/T4 is going to be better than your Hahn 20G with the 10cm exhaust housing. Also how in the heck do you think you can autocross with a 20G? Autocross is done best with a naturally aspirated car or a turbo car with spool time between 2500 and 3500 rpm. It's been proven that smaller turbos work better with autocross if your car has a turbocharger. How can you say your an autocross person when birdman is telling us that your looking at buying a Super 25G turbo? It is impossible to autocross with a turbo that large. Maybe you should not comment on the T3/T4 if you have never owned one.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

If you want a fast spoolling turbo check out www.aerocharger.com as soon as I get everything toghter I'll post my Dyno and pic's

 

[MyEclipse5]

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
If you want a fast spoolling turbo check out www.aerocharger.com as soon as I get everything toghter I'll post my Dyno and pic's

is he serious?

 

[Malenko]

Im late but I agree, my T3/4 sucks, too long to spool (and I have a built tranny high stall converter and all that jazz , automatic pWnZ dont hafta lift to shit)

anyways If could go back Id get a 16G or at least a ball bearing T3/4 I only push 8 psi so below me about all the HP it can make, cause I'll never make more then I am now

thank you, please drive through