engine swap or rebuild and turbo?

[illmatik]

hey, i got a 2g eagle talon with a 420a engine. My engine has about 120000 miles on it and i have a serious urge for more speed. I have been looking around to see what my best options for a turbo are. I was wondering what would be better to do. rebuild low end on my 420a and slap on a aftermarket turbo or swap a turbo'd 420a model into my 2g talon? if anyone can help me here with any advice or ideas for what i should do it would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

-illmatik-

 

[siueclipse]

there is no such thing as swapping a turbo'ed 420a motor into your car. there is the 4g63 but you don't want to try that swap. it doesn't work.

either buy a bottom end kit or a block ready to go from www.howellautomotive.com

then buy a turbo kit.

happy boosting.

 

[illmatik]

thanks for the help. how much would a low end kit or a block that is ready to go cost me? if it is going to be a lot of money to turbo my car i was just thinking of rebuilding and going for show so i could sell and get a gsx or gs-t. hit me back with some pricing issues and some info. thanks.

-illmatik-

 

[RSTsoon]

Bottem end - 900-1200$$
Stage 2 Turbokit - 2800-3400$$

 

[Strictlyimports]

+ labor

 

[Turbo 420a]

+do it yourself = -labor

It's worth looking into. It's surprising how much money you save if you can just learn about the job that needs to be done and do it with the help of some friends. Will be a good reason to learn about how everything really comes together and works in your car. Good luck man.

 

[illmatik]

thanks for the insight on the question i asked. it seems like i should just rebuild my low and and drop a stage 2 turbo on it.
I'm still wondering if it would be cheaper to just drop a factory turbo engine into it. One of you said that there is no 420a engine thats turbo'd and that the 4g63t swap doesnt work. there has to be a turbo engine that would fit and work in a swap. why cant i drop a turbo 2g engine into my 2g car? I was told by my local mitsubishi dealership i could put a turbo engine swap into my car. i found prices for turbo engines at around 1400-1600 for the engine and then all i would need is labor, computer, and full exhaust. Can anyone tell me if this is possible to do. Is there an turbo engine that i can drop into my 2g? anyone tried to do this swap? any replies help a lot. thanks.

-illmatik-

 

[RSTsoon]

Right, tell that guy to do the swap for you and pay you for the engine + labor if he ####s up.

 

[illmatik]

man i'm just telling you what a dealership told me and im sure that there would be some kind of written waranty or else i wouldnt go for it.
by the way you guys make it sound. either if i rebuild and slap on a turbo or do an engine swap (which im told is not possible) its going to be a lot of cash. i should just go for show and sell for a gs-t or gsx.

-illmatik-

 

[RSTsoon]

ok im gonna break it down, you dont have to rebuilt your bottem end YET. You can get a stage 1 or 2 trubo and be happy with the 5-9 psi on that until you feel its right to get a bottem end rebuilt and turn up the boost. I repeat you do not have to rebuild your bottom end YET.

 

[illmatik]

if im going to have to rebuild my bottom end sooner or later i might as well do it before i add the turbo. because if i added a turbo to my naturally aspirated engine with 120 000 miles on it wouldnt it just tear the engine apart because its not used to the power? and if i stay n/t what kind of preformance gains can i be looking at and with what kind of funds would i need?

-illmatik-

 

[RSTsoon]

You missed what I said...its not going to tear your n/a engine apart if you stay at the right boost levels, plenty of people are boosting on stock bottom ends, search around.

 

[illmatik]

ok, i still think that i have too many miles on my car to handle a aftermarket turbo but you probably know more then i do. but you missed my other question. is there a turbo engine that i could drop into the car?

 

[slodsm]

No, there is no turbo engine you can "drop" in. You can either pay the 3000 bucks for a turbo kit from hahn or star, be happy at 7 to 10 psi depending on kit, and later rebuild to be faster, or you can trade in your car on a factory turbo car, not many other options.

 

[illmatik]

is it because i have a 420a and the only turbo motors you are able to swap are 4g63t?

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by siueclipse
there is no such thing as swapping a turbo'ed 420a motor into your car. there is the 4g63 but you don't want to try that swap. it doesn't work.

either buy a bottom end kit or a block ready to go from www.howellautomotive.com

then buy a turbo kit.

happy boosting.

It does work, but it is a very labor intensive job. This guy is in the process of finishing up.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65175

 

[big green]

Originally posted by illmatik
is it because i have a 420a and the only turbo motors you are able to swap are 4g63t?

No putting a 4g63 in your 2g nt is very impractical. For the amount of a sawp your could get the turbo kit and build your bottom end.

 

[illmatik]

is the gs engine a 420a? and if so couldnt i drop a gs-t engine into my 2g? the one guy in that other forum did that swap. i've also talked to the mitsubishi dealership around here and they said i could convert my non turbo 2g to a turbo. i get a lot of different answers from a lot of different people. i just need a clear answer as what i can do.

-illmatik-

 

[Kirby]

I just want to point out that nobody knows if this guy in the other thread is for real or not, so we don't know if it's even true. I don't know if anyone else saw it but he has not posted since the 13th. If the dealer is telling you they can do it, then get an estimate of labor and see what they are going to charge. Also ask them for a full list of what needs to be done to swap the engine. The guy at the dealer who is telling you this knows ABSOLUTLY NOTHING about this topic. No dealer would even touch a job like this. Trust me bro stay away from that person at all costs. You have 3 options here, 2 of them are well represented in other topics. They are turbo your car, or buy a GST. What you spend in the motor swap will pay for your turbo kit at least and possibly even the rebuild. Plus you will have stock GST performance for the price of turboing your car, which would acctually yeild more performance. In short, Don't try to swap these motors, it's just not worth it.

 

[illmatik]

alright, thank you for the advice. i'll probably just rebuild and turbo when i have enough cash to do both at the same time. but what is it about these motors that makes them so hard to swap. My buddy put an H22 prelude engine into his civic with little to no problems and that seems like it would be a lot more difficult then these swaps. i dont know if i really understand whats so difficult. is it spacing? time? or a lot more then that?

-illmatik-

 

[RSTsoon]

...our cars are not civics , you have to understand there isnt a million swaps for our cars like there is for hondas. You cant just swap it in because theirs a difference in motor mounts and other connections that dont just "bolt up".
Later

oh and you can search and find out why the swap is so difficult, there is plenty of threads about it.

 

[illmatik]

thanks i'll do a search on it and find out for myself. and your right..... our cars are far beyond civics.