What parts are needed for this setup?

[jwahl425]

Alright, I searched about a hundred threads and I can't figure out what exactly I need to turbocharge my car without doing any major changes, I'm setting the actuator spring at 5psi and I'm going to take advantage of the higher compression pistons, here's what I know I need, please let me know what I NEED to turbo my car, I'm on a budget and I will probably get my parts (for now) at a junkyard.

13b w/manifold and o2 housing
turbo intake
turbo mas
smic
upper and lower ic piping

here's what I'm unsure about:
knock sensor where do I put it?
safc2 a must for this swap?
fuel presure regulator, do I have to purchase an aftermarket?
turbo fuel pump do I need to change mine?
injectors, can I go with 390cc?
ecu, will the safc2 remove the need for a turbo ECU?
do I HAVE to have intake cam/intake manifold/throttle body?

thanks for taking time to answer my questins, hopefully this will help out others who just want a basic turbo kit and then go from there, just enough to build boost and get the car running.

 

[jwahl425]

WOW, It's been two days and no response? I would have thought for sure someone would know these answers, I have had 4 turbocharged DSM's and I miss the boost and the BOV, I also like the idea of introducing another turbo DSM into the world, so please, any help is appreciated.

 

[timloomis]

your ecu can handle 5 psi,your not going to knock a lot on that psi.your stock 240 injectors may handle 5 psi,im not sure.but if not get 390s and an afc/maft.fuel pump *should* handle 5 psi,and the intake cam should be ok.but id go all out if your doing all that work anyways.with my swap,i built a motor,turbo ecu,maft translator,3000gt fuel pump,and some odds and ends.

 

[jwahl425]

that sounds great I found a 13b turbo/manifold/o2 housing for cheap that I might get, so I can:
bolt on turbo manifold/13b/o2housing
put on air intake/BOV/ic pipes
upgrade mas to a turbo
put on sidemount IC
and start spooling?
that sounds awesome, do you think that I can get the 390cc injectors and a maft and not worry about knock or having to tune it? I'll have to do some more searches on the MAFT and see how I can benifit from and how to tune with it. I figure 5psi and the woosh of the BOV will keep me happy, that should put me at about 190hp shouldn't it?(high flow cat/muffler/cosmo airfilter/MAFT), i know that predicting HP is kinda pointless snce you never REALLY know until you dyno it but a ball park figure would be nice.
oh, I almost forgot, will I have to change the downpipe/cat at all? is there anything else I'm forgetting? I wan't to get all the needed parts and line them up and make sure I got everything before I start, I currently have:
downpipe

 

[XMasta19]

you've owned 4 turbocharged DSM's and yet you're askin all these questions


anywho, most of us in this forum are 2gnt's goin from n/a to turbo thus the wait for a response. seems like you've got what you need now, and u could always search this and the 1g n/t forum for more answers...probably would be quicker for you that way

 

[jwahl425]

boy was that helpful, just looking for some simple n/t->turbo answers, I understand that some users in here are 2g owners, the reason I posted here is because I figured so many of you have done the swap, people like TIMLOOMIS would be willing to share their information, oh and as for the "you've owned 4 turbo DSM'S and your still asking all these questions?", yes in case you havn't noticed the n/t engine is quite different from the turbo one, you can't just bolt a turbo on and expect it to work correctly nor does owning four turbo DSM's give you the knowledge to turbo another car.

 

[XMasta19]

the reason I posted here is because I figured so many of you have done the swap

WTF .....the 2gnt 420A-->4G63 swap is hardly ever done, it usually costs more money than any of us payed for our cars in the first place just to get it in and working I know that owning 4 doesn't mean you have super almighty knowledge...but apparently u just drove then blew up/sold/etc then got another because any mild form of searching would have yielded you the answer that yes you could bolt on a turbo to your n/t motor and run low boost with the correct supporting mods. damn I need to go have my coffee now

 

[dr1665]

WTF .....the 2gnt 420A-->4G63 swap is hardly ever done, it usually costs more money than any of us payed for our cars in the first place just to get it in and working

This swap is rarely attempted and even less often successful. It is a fool's errand and perhaps the most ignorant, violent rage inciting question to post on any DSM forum.

I know that owning 4 doesn't mean you have super almighty knowledge...but

But those of us whose turbo "conversion" consists of bolting up turbo components, improving fuel delivery and hiding boost from the ECU don't know much about what it takes to bolt up things that were actually made to bolt a turbo to your engine. That's why this forum specifies 2G, man. We're a different animal altogether. We can certainly give you pointers on theory and all that, but specifics for your engine? Good luck. I'm, like, MAF? What? So to those of us who do not own any 4G63-powered cars sort of expect you to know a bit more about how your own engine would handle boost as well as how you would go about adding it thereto.

searching would have yielded you the answer that yes you could bolt on a turbo to your n/t motor and run low boost with the correct supporting mods.

True. I know this has been covered before in the search. I've never bothered to search for it because, well, I have a Neon with a body kit (a damn sexy body kit, but a body kit none-the-less) and it's pointless to me. All I can offer is that, off the top of my head, you need a manifold, turbo, WG, fuel delivery, oil circulation, and plumbing. It looks like you have what you need mechanically, but all the details you posted mean dick to us po, 420A guys.

Good luck to you, man. I'm sure you'll get it worked out.

damn I need to go have my coffee now

Wow. Sometimes you just amaze me.

 

[jwahl425]

so you guys are saying this section "N/T - Turbo Conversion is only for 2g's? it was right next to 1gn/t tech so i figured this was for both 1g and 2g, I'll post in 1g n/t tech and they'll kick me out/delete the thread so, I'll try newbie, by the way some of you guys are dicks, all I did was ask for some info, if you don't have it, don't post, and by the way, I forgot the 2g n/t turbo was a 420a, my bad.

 

[BigRand]

Hey don't sweat it man, I think you just need to throw in some turbo internals, a turbo ECU and nesscary fuel upgrades. (not sure what that all entails because of the 4g63 thing) but essentially you need a Fuel pump (walbro 255), and FPR 1:1, and whatever set of injectors you run should be about the same as the turbo 4g63 to start off with at least, that means 450cc.

The SAFC isn't a must, it would help a little bit, but then again if you scoop up the turbo ecu you shouldn't have any fuel problems if u run the same injectors.

If I wee you I'd hold off on the SAFC, because there are more options for you if you buy a turbo ecu.

Oh most of all with what I said, I hope your turboing the 2.0L 4g63 NT block at least, not the 1.8L.

 

[dr1665]

so you guys are saying this section "N/T - Turbo Conversion is only for 2g's? it was right next to 1gn/t tech so i figured this was for both 1g and 2g,

You make a good point. I will mention this elsewhere and see what I hear back. One would think that a NT conversion forum nested under "2G N/T Bolt-On Tech" would suggest a 2GNT focus at the least.

by the way some of you guys are dicks, all I did was ask for some info, if you don't have it, don't post,

... and two days after no one responded, you bumped the thread, astounded that no one had any info for you. Furthermore, don't sweat what that Xmasta guy says. I'm not really impressed with anything I've seen him post either. Not just in your thread, here.

I forgot the 2g n/t turbo was a 420a, my bad.

No worries, man. No worries.

Be cool.

EDIT:
I have mentioned the confusion of having a conversion forum listed under 2G Bolt-On Tech which, by it's description, could be intended for both generations. I will let you know what I hear back.

Thanks.

 

[jwahl425]

thanks guys, I altered my cecklist a little now it's time to get the parts, I'll post in 1g n/t tech and newbie section, thanks again, and yeah I got a 2.0 6bolt.