Turbo Motor Swap....

[S1L3NoZ]

What's up guys!?!? I'm new to this forum and I'm new to DSM world too. I bought a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 98 on October 26th. Here goes my question. Before starting my quest to gather all the technical infos I need to modify my ride, I wanna know which engine is the best to turbocharge??? Stock N/A Motor or Stock Turbo Motor??? Because I wanna go turbo for sure so, if you tell me the swap for the stock turbo motor is the best starting point, I'll do the swap. Money isn't a problem 4 me..... Thx a lot for your support guys!!! If you need any more infos..... just let me know

 

[out there]

everyone who says that money is not a problem doesn't understand just how big the project of swapping a 4g63 into a 2g nt car is. we're talking about as much as you payed for the car... and that's just to get almost the same power and reliability of a 2g gst.
what do you want from your car? do you want it to be a honda munching machine? or a v8 hunter? fast in a straight line or likes twisties? hoochie magnet? fast, fun and driver-friendly?

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/search.php?searchid=396217

please search first, this subject has been touched upon more times than you care to think about

 

[GSGoinFast]

everyone who says that money is not a problem doesn't understand just how big the project of swapping a 4g63 into a 2g nt car is. we're talking about as much as you payed for the car... and that's just to get almost the same power and reliability of a 2g gst.
what do you want from your car? do you want it to be a honda munching machine? or a v8 hunter? fast in a straight line or likes twisties? hoochie magnet? fast, fun and driver-friendly?

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/search.php?searchid=396217

please search first, this subject has been touched upon more times than you care to think about

haha hoochie hunter .

dont do the swap. this isnt the honda world, and swaps arnt as common as the cars themselves. it definatly not worth the money. if money isnt a problem, then build the shit out of that NT motor and make one bad ass 420a powered beast! get the stage 5 turbo kit from howell. i dunno why but i have a feeling you dont know how expensive modding these cars gets. that kit alone runs $6,000. good luck

 

[S1L3NoZ]

Well... I use to owned a Acura Integra 99 LS/VTEC Turbo pushing 380HP. I know what a Turbo's price is for an Integra. As I said, I'm new in DSM world and I'm not the kind of guy doing things halfway so... That's why I'm here. I wanna learn what to do and what not to do with these car (Eclipse 2G). And believe me I don't have worries about money. I have my own business, Hydrau-Tech. It is a machine shop, we build and re-build hydraulic and pneumatic cylinders, valves, pumps, etc... So don't worry about it

 

[out there]

if your goals are only 400hp, get a gst. with no internal work, there are gst's laying down bigger numbers than your integra.
if you really want to make a monster 420a, check out www.fasterthanyou.com ; the site is under construction, but they offer some pretty nice items for the 420a

 

[Doug99RS]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151885

 

[Denji]

If money isnt an issue, may i ask why you bought a n/t eclipse? Also, if you made that much power on an integra, you should already have an in depth knowledge of how to make a n/a motor fast. I dont see any real differences between how you would go about getting power from a 420a eclipse or an integra (assuming your not swapping a motor).

 

[miamieclipse]

Just make your 420a n/a or turbocharge it...YOU WILL NOT SWAP THE 4G63 Engine in.

Next time please do a search instead of wasting space on pointless topics that have been discussed millions of times.

 

[1fast97gsx]

if money isn't an issue for you sell your car and put a few 1000 on top of it and buy a gsx. You won't regret it and you can easily make 400 hp on a stock engine...

 

[GSGoinFast]

if money isn't an issue for you sell your car and put a few 1000 on top of it and buy a gsx. You won't regret it and you can easily make 400 hp on a stock engine...

thoughtful, original, and challenging idea

if money isnt an issue then what do you think you will get more respect for, a 400hp 420a or a 400hp GSX?

 

[out there]

400hp 420a - "man, why would you waste all that money?"
400hp gsx - "how fast is it?"
i don't think it's a respect thing, but this is what i would expect to run into

 

[GSGoinFast]

400hp 420a - "man, why would you waste all that money?"
400hp gsx - "how fast is it?"
i don't think it's a respect thing, but this is what i would expect to run into

yes, im sure thats exactly what they would say, why did you waste all that money... good guess

they would never say "nice work" or "thats quite an accomplishment", people just arnt supportive these days, everyone is incredibly negative

 

[out there]

i'm negative about it because around here there are lots of people with big power cars. several guys have built 420a's into monsters and there are quite a few hondas with 2xx na and 300+ turbo
to me, a 420a that's making 400hp is a waste of money (when comparing it to other dsm's)

 

[GSGoinFast]

i'm negative about it because around here there are lots of people with big power cars. several guys have built 420a's into monsters and there are quite a few hondas with 2xx na and 300+ turbo
to me, a 420a that's making 400hp is a waste of money (when comparing it to other dsm's)

there are countless 400hp turbo dsm's, whats so special about them? now a 400hp 420a, thats special and rare to see.

 

[Doug99RS]

It's only a waste of money if you can't do it right.

 

[Got_Boost29]

400 hp 420a= traction issues; and alot of limitation in parts compared to GSX, GST
400hp GSX= track monster, less $$ u gotta invest and i'll believe better times than the above...

I'm not puttin down the N/A but i think if u wanna go turbo, why take the long route? I knew i wanted to go turbo, so i went w/ a GST; now i know i want better traction(i have bad traction problems) so i'm tryin to get a GSX... If u could pull 400hp on a 420A u definetly get props, at least from me, as same w/ others but there's always gonna be the question, why u didn't go turbo in the first place?

 

[GSGoinFast]

400 hp 420a= traction issues; and alot of limitation in parts compared to GSX, GST
400hp GSX= track monster, less $$ u gotta invest and i'll believe better times than the above...

I'm not puttin down the N/A but i think if u wanna go turbo, why take the long route? I knew i wanted to go turbo, so i went w/ a GST; now i know i want better traction(i have bad traction problems) so i'm tryin to get a GSX... If u could pull 400hp on a 420A u definetly get props, at least from me, as same w/ others but there's always gonna be the question, why u didn't go turbo in the first place?

the only reason i would buy a turbo dsm would be for the AWD. thats it. i would not get a GS-T. they run for about $5000 more then a GS with similar miles around here. that money could be used to turbo and rebuild the 420a, making it more powerful then the GS-T would be, and not have the limitations of the stock 420a.

 

[turboed420A]

i'm negative about it because around here there are lots of people with big power cars. several guys have built 420a's into monsters and there are quite a few hondas with 2xx na and 300+ turbo
to me, a 420a that's making 400hp is a waste of money (when comparing it to other dsm's)

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I'm soooo tired of people like you that come in here to sh*t on us and you don't even understand. First of all who cares about the Hondas, I keep forgeting but is this called dsmtuners??? Second, try to explain the lower insurance costs of a 420a over the lifetime of two cars and tell me that you don't save money. Third, People are trying to be creative and original by building their own setup vs. what 40,000 other people are doing!

 

[GSGoinFast]

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I'm soooo tired of people like you that come in here to sh*t on us and you don't even understand. First of all who cares about the Hondas, I keep forgeting but is this called dsmtuners??? Second, try to explain the lower insurance costs of a 420a over the lifetime of two cars and tell me that you don't save money. Third, People are trying to be creative and original by building their own setup vs. what 40,000 other people are doing!

whoa whoa, i think your forgeting about his god given superiority over us because his car comes with a 15 year old power plant and a factory hair dryer... we should all just bow down. :thumbdown

 

[out there]

I'm soooo tired of people like you that come in here to sh*t on us and you don't even understand.

you'll want to avoid ad hominems in the future
ps- i was here before you and i'm not putting you down

First of all who cares about the Hondas, I keep forgeting but is this called dsmtuners???

this is not about hondas, this started out about why it is a waste to put a turbo engine into an na car when a turbo model is available.

Second, try to explain the lower insurance costs of a 420a over the lifetime of two cars and tell me that you don't save money.

depends on your insurance company, some rate the gsx, gst, gs and rs the same... again, not the issue

Third, People are trying to be creative and original by building their own setup vs. what 40,000 other people are doing!

more power to you people developing original plans, but this thread started as a question about using the rs body for a 4g63 transplant... obviously a waste of time/money.
it really burns me that you're unable to understand that i stated the futility of building a 420a as my opinion and then proceeded to give a link to a 420a supporting company.
i did not put down anyone nor condemn any setups or power-making strategies.

 

[Doug99RS]

This pissing contest needs to stop here. I think everyone has made it clear what they "THINK" is a waste of money and what is a good idea. You've all heard opinions from both sides of the playing field. Make you decision based on the facts listed in the thread and leave the opinions out of it.

Here's my take on the situation:
To do a 420A to 4g63 swap is NOT a waste of time IF the chassis from the 4g63 car is not to your liking either due to color, cleanliness, or vehicle damage history.

To take an RS and put a 4g63 from a GST or GSX in it when the two cars are identical with the exception of powerplants would fall under the "waste of time" opinion in my book. You're losing all the bells and whistles that the higher line vehicle had and for what???

If you want to do a turbo install on a 420A then I support it. The price increase puts it at the same cost as a GST but you stay with a powerplant that has fewer hassles. Examples:
1. Fewer vacuum lines and the ones we have on the 420A we know what they all go to.
2. No Maf. Meaning you can blow off an IC pipe and still have power to get home
3. Parts availability: Neon, Breeze, Stratus, Cirrus, Minivan all donor cars on many parts
4. The turbo-ed 420A world is expanding, higher quality parts are being brought about and alot more inovative ideas on how to do the install cheaper and better.

This pissing contest is done. Everyone's had their say and there's tons of threads already out there addressing both this swap as well as the turbo-ed 420A vs 4g63 debate. This is the part now where we justifiably get to say use the search option, read already existing threads and stop the ongoing battle amongst the DSM community.
Thanks,

Doug

 

[GSGoinFast]

This pissing contest needs to stop here. I think everyone has made it clear what they "THINK" is a waste of money and what is a good idea. You've all heard opinions from both sides of the playing field. Make you decision based on the facts listed in the thread and leave the opinions out of it.

Here's my take on the situation:
To do a 420A to 4g63 swap is NOT a waste of time IF the chassis from the 4g63 car is not to your liking either due to color, cleanliness, or vehicle damage history.

To take an RS and put a 4g63 from a GST or GSX in it when the two cars are identical with the exception of powerplants would fall under the "waste of time" opinion in my book. You're losing all the bells and whistles that the higher line vehicle had and for what???

If you want to do a turbo install on a 420A then I support it. The price increase puts it at the same cost as a GST but you stay with a powerplant that has fewer hassles. Examples:
1. Fewer vacuum lines and the ones we have on the 420A we know what they all go to.
2. No Maf. Meaning you can blow off an IC pipe and still have power to get home
3. Parts availability: Neon, Breeze, Stratus, Cirrus, Minivan all donor cars on many parts
4. The turbo-ed 420A world is expanding, higher quality parts are being brought about and alot more inovative ideas on how to do the install cheaper and better.

This pissing contest is done. Everyone's had their say and there's tons of threads already out there addressing both this swap as well as the turbo-ed 420A vs 4g63 debate. This is the part now where we justifiably get to say use the search option, read already existing threads and stop the ongoing battle amongst the DSM community.
Thanks,

Doug

Nicely done doug, nicely done.

 

[blue92laser]

Uh, I am surprised L2R didn't come in here yet to close this forum because of how off topic this got. But, I support a 420A turbo motor, I like them and they can make real good power if done right and honestly, it doesn't really cost much more than any other car to turbo, esepecially if you had a estimated 400hp honda, then you obviously do know how much it costs. Cause theres nothing more exspensive than a honda being turbocharged.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Well I'm here now.

Great post doug.