**Why wont people post TIMES for 420a turbo**

[Ryans99OZ]

I see alllllllll these people installing turbo kits and and hardly any of em post times...and on the 1/4 mile time list theres only a few ppl breaking 14's....and thats w/ a mighty full modlist....im not knocking those who are turboing their 420a's (believe me i wanna do it myself) but is it really worth it?..im beginning to think not..so if u guys have turbo kits..please post your timeslips here....

 

[Turbo 420a]

It's because not a lot of turbo 420a's even are members of this site, or consider it their main site of interest for turboing 420a's. You'll find a lot more times and people with turbo 420a's on 2GNT.com.

I have an old timeslip of 13.335@99mph from when I was on stock internals, it's in my car right now inside the glovebox. It used to be here in my profile but it doesn't at all reflect what my car can do now, especially MPH wise, so I deleted it. My car is at my mechanics shop right now getting the spoiler paint retouched but I'll grab it tomorrow and scan it for those who are interested.

Try looking in 2gnt though, you'll find a lot more turbo 420a's there.

 

[Ryans99OZ]

thanks ill take a look..btw..nice time

 

[eclipseman99]

It's because not a lot of turbo 420a's even are members of this site, or consider it their main site of interest for turboing 420a's. You'll find a lot more times and people with turbo 420a's on 2GNT.com.

I have an old timeslip of 13.335@99mph from when I was on stock internals, it's in my car right now inside the glovebox. It used to be here in my profile but it doesn't at all reflect what my car can do now, especially MPH wise, so I deleted it. My car is at my mechanics shop right now getting the spoiler paint retouched but I'll grab it tomorrow and scan it for those who are interested.

Try looking in 2gnt though, you'll find a lot more turbo 420a's there.

I like to see proof of that time. I have seen some low 14's and maybe very high 13's but never low 13's on a stock bottom end. There are allot of members in az from 2gnt.com that have turboed 420a with built bottom ends running 10-12 psi on both hahn and star kits and dont even have times like that yet.

 

[Turbo 420a]

I like to see proof of that time. I have seen some low 14's and maybe very high 13's but never low 13's on a stock bottom end. There are allot of members in az from 2gnt.com that have turboed 420a with built bottom ends running 10-12 psi on both hahn and star kits and dont even have times like that yet.

Sure thing. Tons of people on this site have already seen the slip before, as I removed it no more than a month ago. I'll have it posted in this thread either today or tomorow, depending on when this guy finishes touching up the paint and scratches on my car and I can go pick it up.

 

[SBstar]

How come when I go to 2GNT.com I only see like 8, 1/4 mile posts I don't think thats too many more then on here....

 

[Justin99RS]

star stage 2, crane #12 cams, cam gears, catback, UDP and bored TB

6.5psi in 93 degree heat, with a pre-turbine exhaust leak killing top end power ran this

60' - 2.29
1/8th - [email protected]
1/4 - [email protected]

if i had been at a full 8psi on a cold night would have been closer to 14.2...

 

[uh-oh]

well i wont post my time bc i race allot of people on this site for money....but i have a 95 talon esi with a turbo...and a not so stock motor ...anyhow ill run any FWD as long as it is on street tires and any AWD from a roll...only rule is you must be on street tires and no race gas...unless i get to use it too

 

[DSMJim]

star stage 2, crane #12 cams, cam gears, catback, UDP and bored TB

6.5psi in 93 degree heat, with a pre-turbine exhaust leak killing top end power ran this

60' - 2.29
1/8th - [email protected]
1/4 - [email protected]

if i had been at a full 8psi on a cold night would have been closer to 14.2...

98mph should have gone mid 13's. Are you at a race track on street tires? Thats your problem right there. When your at a RACE track use RACE tires. When on the STREET use STREET tires. That way you wont run 14.5 @ 98 mph you will run 13.5 @ 96mph instead.

AWD is obviously excluded from the above statement because we don't have traction issues, the other way around too much traction.

 

[Justin99RS]

a 98 mph trap in a turbo 420a is good for 14.2 at best...your confusing your AWD traps with what a FWD will do..turbo 420as typically trap very high for the ET's...a 13.5@96 will be good for an AWD car, but most turbo 420s will trap 105+ on a high 13 sec run...thats just the way it is....even if i were on slicks and made a 2.0 60' time i would have been high 13's at 100+.....a well known turbo 2gnt guy "strauss" ran [email protected]h equals your 12.1 trap speed...another guy ran on slicks and posted a 1.6 60' time, ran a [email protected] just trap higher than you AWD guys...

 

[DSMJim]

a 98 mph trap in a turbo 420a is good for 14.2 at best...your confusing your AWD traps with what a FWD will do..turbo 420as typically trap very high for the ET's...a 13.5@96 will be good for an AWD car, but most turbo 420s will trap 105+ on a high 13 sec run...thats just the way it is....even if i were on slicks and made a 2.0 60' time i would have been high 13's at 100+.....a well known turbo 2gnt guy "strauss" ran [email protected]h equals your 12.1 trap speed...another guy ran on slicks and posted a 1.6 60' time, ran a [email protected] just trap higher than you AWD guys...

I have raced many FWD cars and what your saying is not correct, I'm not talking about AWD cars im talking about FWD. I have owned and raced more FWD cars than AWD so I speak from direct experience on the subject, I have gone fast and slow in both. I was able to pull low 1.8's on slicks in my GTI and you should also be able to do that in a FWD turbo 420a if you can drive and know how to launch the car properly. If you can't at least break into a low 1.9 then you really need to re-evaluate your launch. My dads maxima pulled a 1.9 60ft on M/T slicks running NA last weekend. His car runs 13.5 @97mph N/A with an Automatic tranny and he can pull consistant low 2.0 and recently a high 1.9. Thats automatic here guys. We spent a lot of time figuring out how to make the car launch, we worked on his suspension settings, we tried blocking the rear end, loading the trans etc etc.. Many passess to see just how the car comes out the fastest. If your just dumping the clutch on street tires or slicks for that matter you need to learn how to run your car down the 1/4 mile.

If you run 98mph fwd thats good enough for 13.5 easily. Running a 2.0 60ft is embarrasing and if your doing that your doing something wrong. Anybody who runs 117mph and does a 12.8 need to spend more time at the track less time at the dyno. Hell I ran 13.1 @ 99mph in my GTi once, my ET is fast (compared to what your talking about) because I could hook. When MPH is high its a sign of lack of traction, not beause your car in particular traps differently. Your car goes down the same 1/4 mile mine does. If you et is slow and your trap is high, you have a traction issue plain and simple. A 2.0 60ft is confirmation that your having traction issues. If you can make 98-100mph you should be able to pull a high 1.8 to low 1.9 60ft. If not then go back to the starting line and see what your doing wrong.

Trust me your car FWD is capable of pulling a good 60ft if you spend the time figuring out the launch. HOnda guys NA pull great 60ft times becuase they have their cars sorted out a lot better because FWD is all they know. The problem with FWD DSM is that half of us (or greater) are AWD so we can't and mostly don't help you guys out because our cars are totally different. I however, have raced a lot of FWD cars and been part of a lot of teams of FWD cars so I have quite a bit of experience in the area.

To start, are you running street tires at a race track? Do you have any type of suspension system thats adjustable and what are you doing to it? How are you launching the car from the line. If you let me know this I can give you some suggestions on how to better your 60ft time. With your current power level you should ET a lot faster if you can simply get the car out of the bucket faster. Trust me, I have been there done that and know what your going though. WIth some time and a bit of help you'll sort it out.

 

[Justin99RS]

this isnt just me pulling these times...its collective 420a owners...they do not get off the line well regarless of what mods they have, period. you may be able to pull that stuff off in a maxima or a GTi but comparing those to a 420a is like comparing an apple to an orange...these cars just do not pull very good 60' times...all there is to it. i would love to see you get in one so i could show you what i mean... a generally accepted good 60' time in the 420a is 2.2...most people who can pull those off will end up with a decent run at the end...

 

[dr1665]

And furthermore, not everyone with a turbo 420a is necessarily interested in running the quarter mile and getting a time. Some people just want a faster car around town so they can surprise the random other guy at a light. Driving a turbo is just fun.

I'll be the first person to tell you, if you want to build a DSM for running the fastest times possible, then you need to consider a 4g63 platform. A turbo 420a requires much more money, time and patience to get there.

 

[turboed420A]

I'll be the first person to tell you, if you want to build a DSM for running the fastest times possible, then you need to consider a 4g63 platform. A turbo 420a requires much more money, time and patience to get there.[/QUOTE]


Wow, more famous discouraging remarks about the 420a.. If you are talking about the "fastest times possible" you have to build your engine regardless of what platform you are starting from. In the long run it all costs the same. I have both cars, and I think my 420a is faster

90 Eclipse GSX
95 Eclipse GS

 

[DSMJim]

With HP, a tire and a studder box I could pull a 1.8 60fts on just about any car. If you can't do it your not setup properly, thats is all there is to it.

I have done it on 4 different cars now, don't argue with me, there is somebody out there cutting good 60fts in a 420a, it's just not you. FWD is FWD is FWD. HP + Traction = good 60ft time. You simply can't not have a good 60ft if you have enough HP and traction, it's impossible. It's not like the non-turbo eclipse is any different car than the turbo eclipse and many guys in the FWD turbo eclipse are cutting good 60ft's.

If you can't do it, thats fine it's upto you. If I owned one I would cut 1.8 or faster 60ft's in it PERIOD. Been there done that for 6 years in FWD, I could do it again on your platform. Hell doing it in an Auto Maxima family car is a whole lot harder than doing it in your car with a turbo and descent chassis.

 

[Justin99RS]

i know there are people cutting faster 60' times...just the number of us who have done it is VERY VERY VERY low....with the right $$ sure it can be done...but i'm not gonna spend $2,000 for an LSD, slicks, super suspension just to cut a few tenths off my 60' time...just not worth it to me..

 

[EvuLFleA]

How come when I go to 2GNT.com I only see like 8, 1/4 mile posts I don't think thats too many more then on here....

Because I'm in charge of updating it and havn't!

We were goign to write an automated script but never got around to it.

 

[Ludachris]

i know there are people cutting faster 60' times...just the number of us who have done it is VERY VERY VERY low....with the right $$ sure it can be done...but i'm not gonna spend $2,000 for an LSD, slicks, super suspension just to cut a few tenths off my 60' time...just not worth it to me..

Well, then you probably just explained why there aren't many people pulling fast 60ft times in the N/T community - they probably don't want to spend the money necessary to do so - it's probably just 'not worth it' to them. In the turbo community, people tend to spend the money necessary (and more) to achieve the times they want. That's how the turbo crowd has reached the times they have - spending money to shave a few tenths off.

It's not that it's impossible - it's more about not having as many people motivated enough to do it. There's a similar argument going on in the AT forum (auto tranny). Some are saying that low times can't be achieved with an AT because there are VERY few people doing it. Just because it's the road less traveled, doesn't mean it's any less possible. Sure, it might take more money and effort - you just have to find people who are willing to spend the money to do it. If you're not one of those people, I would not discourage others from trying by saying it isn't possible.

 

[Justin99RS]

thats the point i was trying to make...in stock setup form they aren't gonna pull off really low 60' times...an AWD will pull off a 1.8 60' with no suspension mods..i know, i did it in a 1990 AWD talon with 130k on it...

i wasn't discouraging anyone..just stating that with the standard suspension setup on a 420a we aren't gonna run 13.5 at 96...but run very high trap speeds for the ET..thats all.

 

[crankbender]

this isnt just me pulling these times...its collective 420a owners...they do not get off the line well regarless of what mods they have, period. you may be able to pull that stuff off in a maxima or a GTi but comparing those to a 420a is like comparing an apple to an orange...these cars just do not pull very good 60' times...all there is to it. i would love to see you get in one so i could show you what i mean... a generally accepted good 60' time in the 420a is 2.2...most people who can pull those off will end up with a decent run at the end...

i know there are people cutting faster 60' times...just the number of us who have done it is VERY VERY VERY low....with the right $$ sure it can be done...but i'm not gonna spend $2,000 for an LSD, slicks, super suspension just to cut a few tenths off my 60' time...just not worth it to me..

Which is it?

Seriously don't say it can't be done. It may be expensive or tricky but it is far from impossible.

 

[Justin99RS]

in the first qoute i said "regardless of what mods" i meant speed mods, not suspension mods...

and i NEVER FREAKING SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE. just that no one does it because it just isn't in the gameplan for most of us..

 

[taloniized]

Shit, i'm on street tires trying to hit 13's. My fastest time on street tires is 14.4 @ 102mph.