| 420A Drivetrain Tech Transmission, clutch, flywheel, driveshaft, gears, differentials, transfer case, shifter, etc - specific to 2G N/T DSMs. |
11-27-2007, 02:54 PM
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Let there be Smooth Shifting
So mid december i am planning on installing a quaife lsd to replace my stock differential as i am having issues with it anyways. I figured while i was at it i may as well replace the motor mounts, get a symborski shift kit, mach v cable stiffeners, a B and M short throw shifter and a greddy counter weight shift knob. I have heard many good things about all of these parts, if there are any other ways that i could help improve the way my car shifts and anything i should watch out for when i install the lsd please let me know.
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-Mike
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11-27-2007, 03:20 PM
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So mid december i am planning on installing a quaife lsd to replace my stock differential as i am having issues with it anyways. I figured while i was at it i may as well replace the motor mounts, get a symborski shift kit, mach v cable stiffeners, a B and M short throw shifter and a greddy counter weight shift knob. I have heard many good things about all of these parts, if there are any other ways that i could help improve the way my car shifts and anything i should watch out for when i install the lsd please let me know.
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-Mike
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I have the symborski kit and the B&M shorth throw at 50% reduction. Absolutely love them. I went with the mach V OEM style heavy shift knob though. It's super sweet and looks oem. Good luck on the Quaife install. I have wante done, but just to much money lol.
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11-27-2007, 04:11 PM
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anything i should watch out for when i install the lsd please let me know.
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Yeah, watch out for me, coming up there and stealing it
Sounds good. Are you going with poly mounts or just stock?
MB
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11-27-2007, 05:50 PM
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The last thing I might check or replace (depending on how they look) are the clips that hold your shiftlinkage together. If your doing your motor mounts then they are going to be in plane vew.
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11-27-2007, 11:41 PM
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be careful not to break the speed ring/gear on your old lsd when you go to remove it, to place it on you quaife...
that little plastic ring scares me i always feel like it is going to snap or brake when i remove one.
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11-28-2007, 02:10 PM
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You should look into the Howell AF/X mount. Reduces wheel hop and helps shifting feel a little more smooth and rigid.. I love mine!
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11-28-2007, 07:53 PM
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The quaife install is actually really easy IF you take your time. Just make sure that you measure the bearing play and order the correct size shim from the dealer and everything will be ok. OH yeah if you dont have a press, either buy one or find one to use.
As far as the shifter cables, i filled the holes in the rubber parts that go onto to actual shift arms on the tranny with epoxy. This helped out tremendously in my shifting. I also have the prothane motor mounts and put a 1/2" bolt into the front motor mount. I cant speak for the howell solid mount, but i can say that i have NEVER had wheel hop since putting the prothanes in.
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11-29-2007, 12:25 AM
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I would personally use all solid delrin mounts as opposed to the urithane mounts. Obviously no play in those at all.
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11-29-2007, 05:50 AM
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Urethane mounts are stiff enough, and I don't believe anyone makes Delrin mounts for the 2gnt.
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11-29-2007, 11:52 AM
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I am really excited about this. I am planning on going with the prothane motor mounts (all four of them), the cables stiffeners which i believe is what bigrand was refferring to but regardless i am going to try and replace everything in the linkage, within reason, that is going to help make it better. And i do remember when i replaced my stock transmission i opened it up just because i was curious and im thinking i know exactly what your talking about with those plastic bearings because i broke those and was like shit and stuffed it all back together but anyways im glad everyone approves and has had good experiences with all of these parts.
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mike
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11-29-2007, 12:20 PM
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Urethane mounts are stiff enough, and I don't believe anyone makes Delrin mounts for the 2gnt.
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At least one person was making them... I'd imagine they're still willing to:
Team 2GNT Forum - Viewing topic #4100 - Disturbing motorsports.com delrin motor mounts
Are the overkill? Maybe... I think with a solid front motor mount and Prothanes everywhere else you won't have much engine movement at all. The cost and structural rigidity of Delrin mounts preclude them from use in anything but an all-out race car. I'd even think carefully about a solid front motor mount before going down that path... A little bit of play is acceptable in a daily driver.
OP: Look into the Speed Source bushings. I used a Symborski shifter kit from Mach V (the only place I could find the tighter ID sleeve), with Speed Source underhood bushings. They're made from brass and machined very well. I don't have an aftermarket shifter, but this combination of bushings eliminated a lot of slop from my shifter linkage.
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11-29-2007, 04:49 PM
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Well as i have already said i have the prothane urethane mounts. I dont see how much stiffer anyone would want for a daily driver. On the dyno i was looking at my engine and i could not see any movement at all. Even when they let off the gas my engine didnt kick back. Also my car has a pretty noticable vibration to it since i put the prothanes in. I would imagine that a solid mount would make it even worse which i dont think would be too fun driving all the time. Its not so much the actual vibrations that get me its all the rattles that the vibrations create.
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11-29-2007, 05:12 PM
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Well as i have already said i have the prothane urethane mounts. I dont see how much stiffer anyone would want for a daily driver. On the dyno i was looking at my engine and i could not see any movement at all. Even when they let off the gas my engine didnt kick back. Also my car has a pretty noticable vibration to it since i put the prothanes in. I would imagine that a solid mount would make it even worse which i dont think would be too fun driving all the time. Its not so much the actual vibrations that get me its all the rattles that the vibrations create.
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I run a solid in my race car and my daily. Most people would not like the amount of vibration that is generated, but wheel hop is non existant.
I'm thinking that the urethane is probably as much as anybody would want to go with their daily. I have driven off road for years and all my cars tend to be loud so I'm comfortable with the solids. I would be in the minority.
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