snail turbo/sumalaya billet compressor wheels

[carvinbassplyr]

Is/has anyone used these? Do they update the aero for better airflow since the billet is stronger, or are they the same aero as a stock cast wheel?

[Bud92gsx]

You obviously fail to search. billet tdo5 turbos

[carvinbassplyr]

Originally Posted by Bud92gsx

You obviously fail to search. billet tdo5 turbos

I already read that..those are made by different people. I wanted to know if anyone used the 20G billet wheels produced specifically by turbo snail.

[honda_burner]

I just ordered mine. Got the guy down to 200.... , I was hoping this thread would help answer my questions about them but it looks like I will be the guinea pig. Will keep this posted once the car is together.

[honda_burner]

Got my billet wheel from snail in the mail the other day. The fins dont look as thin as i imagined, they actually appear thick compared to the original 20g compressor wheel. Hopefully it doesnt affect spool and hopefully its just because its not in the turbo and my depth perception is messed up... getting it put in next week!

[94awdcoupe]

can you weigh the wheel please?

[sqr]

Originally Posted by carvinbassplyr

I already read that..those are made by different people. I wanted to know if anyone used the 20G billet wheels produced specifically by turbo snail.

You probally read this also, but maybe not.
Billet compressor wheels

[honda_burner]

Originally Posted by 94awdcoupe

can you weigh the wheel please?

I am shipping the turbo out tomorrow with the wheel. I will see if they have a scale at work and post findings.

[JusMX141]

Originally Posted by honda_burner

The fins dont look as thin as i imagined, they actually appear thick compared to the original 20g compressor wheel.

This is a common misconception about billet compressors. The metal is denser and stronger, so the hub area can be machined smaller and the blades themselves will not lose their strength...though the blades still remain as thick as the cast wheel they're modeled after for sheer durability.

Of course the denser billet aluminum is also heavier than porous cast, so it's highly likely that the billet wheel will weigh nearly the same as the cast wheel despite having a much smaller hub area.

In comparison- a standard cast MHI Evo III 16G compressor has thinner blades than any billet wheel I've ever seen, but they're also quite fragile because of the material used.

[honda_burner]

Originally Posted by JusMX141

This is a common misconception about billet compressors. The metal is denser and stronger, so the hub area can be machined smaller and the blades themselves will not lose their strength...though the blades still remain as thick as the cast wheel they're modeled after for sheer durability.

Of course the denser billet aluminum is also heavier than porous cast, so it's highly likely that the billet wheel will weigh nearly the same as the cast wheel despite having a much smaller hub area.

In comparison- a standard cast MHI Evo III 16G compressor has thinner blades than any billet wheel I've ever seen, but they're also quite fragile because of the material used.

That makes sense. I really want to weigh the two side by side now to find out.

[94awdcoupe]

one of the billet 20g wheels that I enquire about weighed 61 grams. the MHI 20g weighs 72 grams. I think evo 16g weigh 63?? billet blades dont need to be thick. it nmay mean the material is not as good as they are advertising.

[honda_burner]

Originally Posted by 94awdcoupe

one of the billet 20g wheels that I enquire about weighed 61 grams. the MHI 20g weighs 72 grams. I think evo 16g weigh 63?? billet blades dont need to be thick. it nmay mean the material is not as good as they are advertising.

The box says 7075 aluminum alloy which is the purest form if I understand correctly....

[94awdcoupe]

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Originally Posted by 94awdcoupe

one of the billet 20g wheels that I enquire about weighed 61 grams. the MHI 20g weighs 72 grams. I think evo 16g weigh 63?? billet blades dont need to be thick. it nmay mean the material is not as good as they are advertising.

I checked emails. snail said their wheel is 63 grams.

and this is the kinugawa 20g pic. looks like thin blades to me.

[honda_burner]

Originally Posted by 94awdcoupe

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I checked emails. snail said their wheel is 63 grams.

and this is the kinugawa 20g pic. looks like thin blades to me.

Like I said, it probably appeared thicker because it was outside of the turbo. The cast 20g wheel I was comparing it to is still in the compressor housing.

On a side note I was comparing the cast (still in the turbo) to the billet one today and the center section is significantly smaller in diameter.

[94awdcoupe]

heres soe pics of the snail 20g. savy eye can see some differences.
New Snail Turbo billet comp wheel! - Page 3 - SRT Forums - SRT4, SRT6, SRT8, SRT10 & Dodge Forum

[JusMX141]

In a recent exchange of PM's with another member regarding this company's products:

Originally Posted by xxxx

I spoke with them again and they do not balance the wheel usually....

Buyer beware- ask questions. Don't plan to buy this wheel and drop it in unless it's advertised as such or you may be throwing $200+ down the shitter when the journal bearings wear prematurely and your pretty new compressor wheel meets the cover.

[honda_burner]

I asked before I purchased and shipped it out to be balanced today. Definitely agree though. I was anticipating it anyways just to be safe. No way am i going to spend that much on a piece of metal and have it get blown to pieces. lol!

[honda_burner]

[honda_burner]

Finally... lol here's a picture of my wheel.

[Sebba]

Makes sense as to why they wouldn't balance the single part, because the whole center section needs to be balanced while assembled.

So thats sort of irrelevant.

[94awdcoupe]

Originally Posted by honda_burner

intrtesting the reverse rotation wheel has straght blade tips top and bottom fins.

Originally Posted by honda_burner

hopefully thats not your new 20g wheel? or are you building evo8/9 turbo?

NVM I am all confused. didnt notice the pics from kinugawa wher reverse rotation. then again didnt realise srt4 is reverse rotation turbo as well.

[JusMX141]

Originally Posted by Sebba

Makes sense as to why they wouldn't balance the single part, because the whole center section needs to be balanced while assembled.

So thats sort of irrelevant.

Then you're looking at it in a completely different direction than nearly every turbo manufacturer on the planet who component-balances first and then assembly-balances if necessary. In fact, most larger-frame journal bearing turbos don't require an assembly balance at all.



The HX40 BatMoWheel that Bullseye Power let us test in Dave's turbo last season was fully-balanced when I received it, and was advertised as a drop-in replacement. Knowing that we were going to be raping this turbo for all it has and wanting it to last, I contacted Bill Devine to see if an assembly balance was required, and he replied:

Originally Posted by Bullseye Power

Installed as-is will be fine they are pre-balanced.

9 seconds and 151mph later, I felt confident that he was right.

[rr06rs]

Originally Posted by 94awdcoupe

intrtesting the reverse rotation wheel has straght blade tips top and bottom fins.



hopefully thats not your new 20g wheel? or are you building evo8/9 turbo?

NVM I am all confused. didnt notice the pics from kinugawa wher reverse rotation. then again didnt realise srt4 is reverse rotation turbo as well.

"HOUSTON...WE HAVE A PROBLEM...."

[Sebba]

Originally Posted by JusMX141

Then you're looking at it in a completely different direction than nearly every turbo manufacturer on the planet who component-balances first and then assembly-balances if necessary. In fact, most larger-frame journal bearing turbos don't require an assembly balance at all.

The HX40 BatMoWheel that Bullseye Power let us test in Dave's turbo last season was fully-balanced when I received it, and was advertised as a drop-in replacement. Knowing that we were going to be raping this turbo for all it has and wanting it to last, I contacted Bill Devine to see if an assembly balance was required, and he replied:

9 seconds and 151mph later, I felt confident that he was right.

Turbonetics doesn't.

[pj91gsx]

I dont think snail turbo makes these wheels, i think they just sell them. Their supplier is Samalya Enterprises. They require a minimum order of 10 wheels which comes out to about 1800 (180 a piece), or 50 wheels for 140 =7000. I know this because im interested in building turbos with their wheels but I cannot come up with the funding to do so, plus people want a proven turbo. However they let me a buy a few "samples" and made custom turbos, but i have not been able to make time for testing. The wheels are expensive but im still wondering if they are worth it, and if they make a big difference on small turbos vs big turbos.

[honda_burner]

Originally Posted by 94awdcoupe

intrtesting the reverse rotation wheel has straght blade tips top and bottom fins.



hopefully thats not your new 20g wheel? or are you building evo8/9 turbo?

NVM I am all confused. didnt notice the pics from kinugawa wher reverse rotation. then again didnt realise srt4 is reverse rotation turbo as well.

Doesn't look backwards to me....

[JusMX141]

Originally Posted by Sebba

Turbonetics doesn't.

VSR | www.TurboneticsInc.com

Originally Posted by Turbonetics

Before the turbocharger is assembled and ready to be placed on the VSR, compressor and turbine wheels are balanced individually down to a quivering needle via Heins balancing procedure.

[Sebba]

Originally Posted by JusMX141

VSR | www.TurboneticsInc.com

Interesting. The "How It's Made" episode on them showed it being balanced together.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYSuI863IM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Fast forward to 4:00.

Balancing the center section like this is acceptable I think. I can't conceive of why it wouldn't be...