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This isn't a question thread, this is a results thread I just want everyone to understand that before they continue reading...
About mid February I decided that it was time to change the setup because the stock 7 bolt and E3 16g weren't doing it. I put in a set of FP2 grinds hoping it would give me some top end power because my car would fall on its face after 6k. After the install the only way I could get rid of knock was to richen up my AFR's to a 10.3~10.5:1 and pull timing to 6* to 7* from 4k to redline... 91 octane sucks. *see log evoIII 16g fp2 91oct no knock *
After getting frustrated at the 91oct and my cams I did some research and found an E85 station on my way to work. WOOHOO! I ordered some FIC 950cc injectors and while I was at it called Forced Performance and ordered their HTA68.
First I installed the 950's and tuned the E3 16g on E85 with the cams. I got A LOT of timing back and was able to lean out my AFR's to 11.6~11.8:1. *see log 2010.3.19-05*
Yesterday I installed the HTA68 and did a 3rd gear pull... I'm impressed.
*see log first HTA68 3rd gear pull*
I definitely see WAY more potential in the HTA68 than this log shows but I was simply doing it to compare to my tune on the Evo3 16g. Right now I'm turning the boost up to 25psi and tuning for an 11.5:1 AFR, we'll see how much timing advance I can get before I start seeing knock...
EDIT
Realized that some other dsm'rs that don't have dsmlink might want to see the improved numbers between the logs so I went through them and added the go fast stats... ENJOY.
If you don't have dsmlink the results look like this...
First log: 91 octane with a E3 16g and FP2 cams...
AFR's - 10.5:1 Timing - 7* Max Airflow - 35.1 lbs/min. @ 7k Boost - 21psi HP est - 270 hp TQ est - 280 ft/lbs
Second log: E85 with a E3 16g and FP2 cams...
AFR's - 11.5:1 Timing - 13* Max Airflow - 35.2 lbs/min. @ 7k Boost - 21psi HP est - 324hp TQ est - 311 ft/lbs.
Third log: E85, HTA68, and FP2 cams...
AFR's - 11.8:1 Timing - 13* Max Airflow - 41 lbs min @ 7k Boost - 21psi HP est - 372 hp TQ est - 321 ft lbs
If you do have dsmlink you can view the logs in the attached files below, they are in the same order as the posted results.
FINAL RESULTS
MOD LIST:
Bolt-on Modifications:
HTA68 // FP intake // hks bov // 1g NA tb // BJ's SMIM // VRS fmic 28.5"x10"x3.5" // 2.5" short route IC piping // FIC 950's // walbro 255 fp (STM rewire) // proclassic -6AN from tank to rail // fuelab fuel filter (metal) // 1g fuel rail // fuelab afpr (55psi) // 2g exhaust manifold (ported) // PR externally gated o2 housing dumped // tial 38mm wastegate with a .9 bar spring // apexi gt 3" cat delete dp // HKS hi power catback exhaust // hallman mbc // nology hotwires // prothane motor mounts // mishimoto radiator // (1) SPAL 12" push fan // optima red top // RRE oil catch can // '99 black leather interior // cf headliner // cf turbo spoiler // AC, CC, & emissions removed // 2gb Talon front // 2ga Talon sides // 2gb Eclipse rear //
Engine Management:
ecmlink (V3) Speed Density // AEM UEGO wideband (rear o2 location) // AEM 3.5 bar MAP sensor // GM IAT // autometer boost gauge // HKS type 1 tt //
Engine Internals:
E-85 // fp2 cams // Evo IX valve springs & retainers // engnbldr SS valves // engnbldr bronze valve guides // topline revised lifters // ARP head studs (tq to 90ft lbs) // mitsu composite headgasket (copper sprayed) // stock 7-bolt bottom end with 99k //
Drivetrain Modifications:
AWD GS-T // automatic tranny converted to 5 speed manual // ACT 2600 clutch // ACT chromoly flywheel // evo X gsr shift knob // B&M short shifter // symborski shift kit // SS full clutch line // slave cylinder extension rod //
Suspension Modifications:
GSX brake conversion // ss brake lines // eibach sportline springs (changed to prokit march '10) // tokico 5 way adjustable gas shocks // front & rear RMDSM sway bars // RRE front strut tower brace // DC sport rear strut tower brace // matte black evo IX wheels wrapped with 245/40/17 bridgestone potenza RE760's //
Theres a lot going on in this thread and my car wasn't actually able to get dyno numbers until August '10 and I started this thing in March. Feel free to read through the whole thing if you'd like but if your just here for the results I've updated this first post with the dyno chart, any other info you might want you'll have to read throughout the thread.
Thanks for reading!
About mid February I decided that it was time to change the setup because the stock 7 bolt and E3 16g weren't doing it. I put in a set of FP2 grinds hoping it would give me some top end power because my car would fall on its face after 6k. After the install the only way I could get rid of knock was to richen up my AFR's to a 10.3~10.5:1 and pull timing to 6* to 7* from 4k to redline... 91 octane sucks. *see log evoIII 16g fp2 91oct no knock *
After getting frustrated at the 91oct and my cams I did some research and found an E85 station on my way to work. WOOHOO! I ordered some FIC 950cc injectors and while I was at it called Forced Performance and ordered their HTA68.
First I installed the 950's and tuned the E3 16g on E85 with the cams. I got A LOT of timing back and was able to lean out my AFR's to 11.6~11.8:1. *see log 2010.3.19-05*
Yesterday I installed the HTA68 and did a 3rd gear pull... I'm impressed.
*see log first HTA68 3rd gear pull*
I definitely see WAY more potential in the HTA68 than this log shows but I was simply doing it to compare to my tune on the Evo3 16g. Right now I'm turning the boost up to 25psi and tuning for an 11.5:1 AFR, we'll see how much timing advance I can get before I start seeing knock...
EDIT
Realized that some other dsm'rs that don't have dsmlink might want to see the improved numbers between the logs so I went through them and added the go fast stats... ENJOY.
If you don't have dsmlink the results look like this...
First log: 91 octane with a E3 16g and FP2 cams...
AFR's - 10.5:1 Timing - 7* Max Airflow - 35.1 lbs/min. @ 7k Boost - 21psi HP est - 270 hp TQ est - 280 ft/lbs
Second log: E85 with a E3 16g and FP2 cams...
AFR's - 11.5:1 Timing - 13* Max Airflow - 35.2 lbs/min. @ 7k Boost - 21psi HP est - 324hp TQ est - 311 ft/lbs.
Third log: E85, HTA68, and FP2 cams...
AFR's - 11.8:1 Timing - 13* Max Airflow - 41 lbs min @ 7k Boost - 21psi HP est - 372 hp TQ est - 321 ft lbs
If you do have dsmlink you can view the logs in the attached files below, they are in the same order as the posted results.
FINAL RESULTS
MOD LIST:
Bolt-on Modifications:
HTA68 // FP intake // hks bov // 1g NA tb // BJ's SMIM // VRS fmic 28.5"x10"x3.5" // 2.5" short route IC piping // FIC 950's // walbro 255 fp (STM rewire) // proclassic -6AN from tank to rail // fuelab fuel filter (metal) // 1g fuel rail // fuelab afpr (55psi) // 2g exhaust manifold (ported) // PR externally gated o2 housing dumped // tial 38mm wastegate with a .9 bar spring // apexi gt 3" cat delete dp // HKS hi power catback exhaust // hallman mbc // nology hotwires // prothane motor mounts // mishimoto radiator // (1) SPAL 12" push fan // optima red top // RRE oil catch can // '99 black leather interior // cf headliner // cf turbo spoiler // AC, CC, & emissions removed // 2gb Talon front // 2ga Talon sides // 2gb Eclipse rear //
Engine Management:
ecmlink (V3) Speed Density // AEM UEGO wideband (rear o2 location) // AEM 3.5 bar MAP sensor // GM IAT // autometer boost gauge // HKS type 1 tt //
Engine Internals:
E-85 // fp2 cams // Evo IX valve springs & retainers // engnbldr SS valves // engnbldr bronze valve guides // topline revised lifters // ARP head studs (tq to 90ft lbs) // mitsu composite headgasket (copper sprayed) // stock 7-bolt bottom end with 99k //
Drivetrain Modifications:
AWD GS-T // automatic tranny converted to 5 speed manual // ACT 2600 clutch // ACT chromoly flywheel // evo X gsr shift knob // B&M short shifter // symborski shift kit // SS full clutch line // slave cylinder extension rod //
Suspension Modifications:
GSX brake conversion // ss brake lines // eibach sportline springs (changed to prokit march '10) // tokico 5 way adjustable gas shocks // front & rear RMDSM sway bars // RRE front strut tower brace // DC sport rear strut tower brace // matte black evo IX wheels wrapped with 245/40/17 bridgestone potenza RE760's //
Theres a lot going on in this thread and my car wasn't actually able to get dyno numbers until August '10 and I started this thing in March. Feel free to read through the whole thing if you'd like but if your just here for the results I've updated this first post with the dyno chart, any other info you might want you'll have to read throughout the thread.
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Thanks for reading!
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