Best turbo for my spec.

[SvarO]

Hello guys,


I need help for my turbo, my engine is down and I already sold my E316G with my ported 2g ex manifold....


My head cylinder have ferrea valves guides and seals, crower SS valves, crower spring/retainer. (am tryng to get 272 hks cams for a good price) and is ported. not valve job.

am just waiting to get my rods and turbo, am loyal to 2.0. everyhting is forged with arp everywhere, so am pretty "secure" on hard ware .

I just want a street/strip turbo, with the capibilties to hold at least 24 psi on pump until 8.5k rpm (thats my goal). I read tons of threads here regarding holset/FP green-red/ S256... and I cant find any specific threads with my setup.

I dont want external wastegate, i like the bolt on stuff, my budget is 1.3k$ for the turbo with the previous requierement.

any suggestion?

ps: sorry for my english, it's not my native lenguage.

 

[Rob10_99]

If you don't want to go holset, I would suggest a garrett. Something like a GT30R or 35R, but you would need an exhaust housing for either of those turbos.

 

[JusMX141]

I just want a street/strip turbo, with the capibilties to hold at least 24 psi on pump until 8.5k rpm (thats my goal).

I dont want external wastegate, i like the bolt on stuff, my budget is 1.3k$ for the turbo with the previous requierement.

You're not going to be holding over 24psi with any internally-gated turbo too well, bud.

At some point you have to face the jury. An external gate will be required to make any serious power with your setup.

 

[SvarO]

You're not going to be holding over 24psi with any internally-gated turbo too well, bud.

At some point you have to face the jury. An external gate will be required to make any serious power with your setup.

thanks for the answer, what you recommend for my needs? keep in mind the budget I have for the turbo.

I can't find exhaust manifold with mitsubishi flange and external wastegate at affordable price, my firts option was the FP cast iron race manifold....

 

[JusMX141]

thanks for the answer, what you recommend for my needs? keep in mind the budget I have for the turbo.

The S259 in a BEP bolt-on housing is quite impressive.

Otherwise, the HX35 would be my first choice...but this is something you'll have to piece together as you can't buy a fresh HX35 with the BEP housing already installed.

I can't find exhaust manifold with mitsubishi flange and external wastegate at affordable price, my firts option was the FP cast iron race manifold....

SBR has their own manifolds on sale for $239 shipped right now- they're cast by Bullseye Power.

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[SvarO]

Nice I didn't look the SBR site, so for my needs I have to use the 20 psi spring on the 38 mm WG?

is like 2 hundreds more, but if i want to rev up with good boost, I will do it.

 

[eclipseGSTud]

I personally run the Borg Warner S256 with external wastegate. It's a great turbo with decent spool up. What type of pump gas do you use?

 

[SvarO]

I personally run the Borg Warner S256 with external wastegate. It's a great turbo with decent spool up. What type of pump gas do you use?

am going on pump we are at 93 oct here, I want the power available everytime

 

[SvarO]

am going to get the internally WG, since my money is tigh, I let you know when is tested, am using ecu flash for tune....

 

[SvarO]

question regarding the s256, what do I need to install it? I mean oil line, water line. the original e316g doesn't fit?

 

[SvarO]

well the buying turbo day is coming, I have read tons of tons of info about the s256 and holset I dont want to enter a debate here, I already read it.

If I go with HOLSET where I can get the complete setup, I dont want to get a ebay, then get this and this, and all over different places, just think am in a different country.

Where I can get a Holset turbo to match with my FP race manifold?

 

[YOOOO]

If you spent all this money building the motor, why are you going to cheap out on the turbo set up? throw the stock stuff on there if need be while you save up money. Just do it right the first time, it'll save you money in the long run. Also what are your power goals? It's a lot more of a concrete goal then saying I wanna run xx psi just to say it.

Personally I don't like holsets unless it's on a tractor, they just weren't engineered for a high performance small displacement 4 cyl, but thats just me. There are plenty of Mitsu housing turbos available though, but if you're getting an aftermarket exhaust manifold I don't see why you wouldn't go with a T3/T4.

 

[SvarO]

If you spent all this money building the motor, why are you going to cheap out on the turbo set up? throw the stock stuff on there if need be while you save up money. Just do it right the first time, it'll save you money in the long run. Also what are your power goals? It's a lot more of a concrete goal then saying I wanna run xx psi just to say it.

Personally I don't like holsets unless it's on a tractor, they just weren't engineered for a high performance small displacement 4 cyl, but thats just me. There are plenty of Mitsu housing turbos available though, but if you're getting an aftermarket exhaust manifold I don't see why you wouldn't go with a T3/T4.

am not going cheap with the most important thing on my caro, my budget for turbo is 1.3k I have the rest on my engine.

I want 400 whp on fuel pump with my 2.0 engine. its my DD car, the street is pretty hard here with a lot of STI and evos, also turbo hondas. so I want something competitive and street/drag car.


again am not going to run VIP, I just want a turbo that can provide the most I can get with fuel pump tuning and boost, available all the time.

the FP race manifold is 275.00 the T3 manifold the good ones are pretty expensive and I need to get the dump pipe for that setup, and external gate, its about at least 500 dollars plus turbo.

 

[JusMX141]

If I go with HOLSET where I can get the complete setup, I dont want to get a ebay, then get this and this, and all over different places, just think am in a different country.

Unfortunately that's how you have to do it. Those who take the time to piece together their Holset setup are rewarded with a long-lasting, powerful turbo.

Personally I don't like holsets unless it's on a tractor, they just weren't engineered for a high performance small displacement 4 cyl, but thats just me.

What's funny is there are more DSMs than tractors out there running Holsets.

Holset's are not John Deere turbos- they are found on Cummins diesel engines. Most modern John Deere diesel equipment uses Borg Warner turbochargers, which happens to be the turbo choice of the fastest DSM in the world. I'm sure you already knew that.

 

[YOOOO]

Well I would consider getting an internally gated turbo with the intent of running high amounts of boost "cheaping out." 400 wheel isn't hard to hit...An Evo III 16g CAN get you there but you'll need a great tune (read: DSMLink) and those cams. You have a lot of options, and you don't need to spend near $1300 on a turbo to do it. 18G, 50 trim, FP68HTA, and billions of PTE turbos will get you there. All should leave you with enough money for that FP manifold with a nice O2 housing dumped through a Tial 38mm external wastegate. Give Forced Performance a call, they should be able to help you with your needs.

Unfortunately that's how you have to do it. Those who take the time to piece together their Holset setup are rewarded with a long-lasting, powerful turbo.


What's funny is there are more DSMs than tractors out there running Holsets.

Holset's are not John Deere turbos- they are found on Cummins diesel engines. Most modern John Deere diesel equipment uses Borg Warner turbochargers, which happens to be the choice of the fastest DSM in the world. I'm sure you already knew that.

I'm aware, it's just a personal preference. I take value in being able to buy something brand new off the shelf and not need to find a BEP housing and then modify the oil drain and constantly worrying whether it's getting the proper oil pressure. I mean I know it's been done time and time again properly but I'll pay extra for less headaches getting it to work. If I'm spending that kind of money it should be for a quality part that's a direct fit made for my car, not something that needs to be taken apart and modified. Of course, that's why you get what you pay for, and that speaks for the Holsets.

 

[SvarO]

Well I would consider getting an internally gated turbo with the intent of running high amounts of boost "cheaping out." 400 wheel isn't hard to hit...An Evo III 16g CAN get you there but you'll need a great tune (read: DSMLink) and those cams. You have a lot of options, and you don't need to spend near $1300 on a turbo to do it. 18G, 50 trim, FP68HTA, and billions of PTE turbos will get you there. All should leave you with enough money for that FP manifold with a nice O2 housing dumped through a Tial 38mm external wastegate. Give Forced Performance a call, they should be able to help you with your needs.



I'm aware, it's just a personal preference. I take value in being able to buy something brand new off the shelf and not need to find a BEP housing and then modify the oil drain and constantly worrying whether it's getting the proper oil pressure. I mean I know it's been done time and time again properly but I'll pay extra for less headaches getting it to work. If I'm spending that kind of money it should be for a quality part that's a direct fit made for my car, not something that needs to be taken apart and modified. Of course, that's why you get what you pay for, and that speaks for the Holsets.

we have the same personal preference, I like the things new and bolt ons, more if I am outside of US (Panama, Central America), so holset is not a option for me.

since you mention PTE this turbo is the best I can get for 1.3k BB HP5457

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Precision T & E HP5457 Ball Bearing Turbocharger : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99 (465 HP)

I read some info, but theres not enough information or feedback, someone post he was getting pretty good spool and hold it to 8k rpm which is the rpm I want to get.

I appreciated your opinion YOOO.

 

[aero_sallee]

I'm aware, it's just a personal preference. I take value in being able to buy something brand new off the shelf and not need to find a BEP housing and then modify the oil drain and constantly worrying whether it's getting the proper oil pressure. I mean I know it's been done time and time again properly but I'll pay extra for less headaches getting it to work. If I'm spending that kind of money it should be for a quality part that's a direct fit made for my car, not something that needs to be taken apart and modified. Of course, that's why you get what you pay for, and that speaks for the Holsets.

If that is your personal preference then by all means go with it. If you are willing to spend the money on an FP setup there isn't anything wrong with that.
Say that instead of spouting BS to justify it, such as this below.

Personally I don't like holsets unless it's on a tractor, they just weren't engineered for a high performance small displacement 4 cyl, but thats just me.

Neither are most of the turbos that people bolt on a small displacement engines in an attempt to go fast. They were originally engineered for diesels. Most T3 and T4 turbos, 20g, 35r, 40r, 42r, just off the top of my head. Stuff gets changed in a lot of cases, like swapping turbine housings. You know, like many people do with the Holsets and the BEP housing *gasp*. Other than that swapping compressor and turbine sections such as a t3/t4 hybrid is about as far as being "engineered for a small displacement engine" gets.


And for the OP, I definitely understand why you want to buy something rather than piecing something together from different sources. Getting a bunch of parts shipped that far and through customs I'm sure really stinks. Probably easy for stuff to get lost or jacked up or take downright forever as well as spend a ton of money on shipping.

Your choice of trying to stay internally gated may turn out to be in conflict with your goal of trying to run 24 psi to 8.5k though. Its really worth it to go external to avoid boost control headaches, spikes, flappers blowing open leading to dropping boost etc. You really should be looking at a power goal rather than a boost target also.

 

[YOOOO]

If that is your personal preference then by all means go with it. If you are willing to spend the money on an FP setup there isn't anything wrong with that.
Say that instead of spouting BS to justify it, such as this below.



Neither are most of the turbos that people bolt on a small displacement engines in an attempt to go fast. They were originally engineered for diesels. Most T3 and T4 turbos, 20g, 35r, 40r, 42r, just off the top of my head. Stuff gets changed in a lot of cases, like swapping turbine housings. You know, like many people do with the Holsets and the BEP housing *gasp*. Other than that swapping compressor and turbine sections such as a t3/t4 hybrid is about as far as being "engineered for a small displacement engine" gets.

Thank you for proving my point. They weren't engineered for a 4 cyl, which is why they have to be modified and watched closely to work on our cars. Except you threw the 20g in there which has a Mitsu housing and is a bolt on affair for our cars.
Also those turbos are readily available from a vendor ready to bolt on to a T3 manifold, you can't say that about the holsets. On top of that, we're talking 400whp here, modifying oil lines and swapping housings is far from necessary. Again I understand why people run Holsets, you'll just never find one on my car.

we have the same personal preference, I like the things new and bolt ons, more if I am outside of US (Panama, Central America), so holset is not a option for me.

since you mention PTE this turbo is the best I can get for 1.3k BB HP5457

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Precision T & E HP5457 Ball Bearing Turbocharger : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99 (465 HP)

I read some info, but theres not enough information or feedback, someone post he was getting pretty good spool and hold it to 8k rpm which is the rpm I want to get.

I appreciated your opinion YOOO.

There really is no "best" turbo out there, it's all about personal preference and everyone is going to have there own opinion. Such is the case with so many turbos available for our platform. Personally if I had $1300 to spend just on a turbo I'd get an FP Red. Also while ball bearing is nice, you are going to pay extra for a 300-400rpm increase in spool. But if you got the dough, then by all means go for it.
Right now I'm running a PTE SC63, journal bearing. I like it but can't say I would recommend it. You could get the SC61 and get similar pump gas numbers and quicker spool. Lag does have it's advantages in a street car, since I'm never in boost driving around town I get great gas mileage, but of course this takes some of the fun away.
For your goals I'd probably get an 18G and call it a day. Good spool and better pump gas numbers than a 16G. Not to mention it's a Mitsu turbo, so it'll have OEM like quality and durability. However you can ask a hundred different people on here and you'll get a hundred different answers as to what turbo to buy. Best thing to do would be to call a vendor on here, whether it be Forced Performance, ExtremePSI, JNZ or whatever, as they have firsthand experience with all these turbos, tell them your goals and budget and they'll piece a kit together for you.

 

[JusMX141]

Except you threw the 20g in there which has a Mitsu housing and is a bolt on affair for our cars.

I think you mean which was never intended for use on a DSM and doesn't come from the factory with a DSM bolt-on turbine housing or internal wastegate.

That's right- just like many other upgraded turbos that are used on our cars, the TD06 20G began as a diesel turbo and must be built for DSM use.

 

[YOOOO]

TD05 20g

 

[LiquidX]

The best turbo in my opinion is the most affordable (quality) turbo setup that will get you the numbers you want. BB is nice to have, but forget about rebuilding it as it's not possible to do.

Besides with the oiling, any turbo you put on you should check the oil pressure at inlet to be sure you are within spec. and it's not something you have to constantly look at either.

 

[Choch1]

What about the new HPA? 16g. ER just want like 10.4 with it. Sick sleeper. 1100 bucks. I have a TDO6 20g and love the shit out of it. =)

 

[JusMX141]

TD05 20g

Show me a link to an out-of-the-box TD05H 20G with the downfiring compressor cover, DSM bolt-on turbine housing, and internal wastegate with a factory Mitsubishi part number on the box that wasn't built by a shop. They don't exist.

What about the new HPA? 16g. ER just want like 10.4 with it.

This is also the same car that went almost as fast with an off-the-shelf Evo III. The HTA68 is not going to guarantee you the same results.

 

[SvarO]

Fp red 60 trim it big for a 2.0 engine I think...

fp green 50 trim is pretty good as far I read, but I can't any setup like me on the forum.

TD06 20g is good but I dont know the top end lets say 8k rpm.

am not going Holset, I know they are good but am not in US and I don't have the facility to get all the parts or in case of any urgency is going to be a big issue.

am not going external wg, my money is tight to 1.3k , am going to get the FP race manifold since I sold my manifold....

 

[JusMX141]

Fp red 60 trim it big for a 2.0 engine I think...

Will work but will be laggy for a street car. The clipped TD06H turbine is designed for flow, not spool. Drag cars don't give a shit about spool time anyway- you're never below 5k at the track unless you shift like a grandma.

fp green 50 trim is pretty good as far I read, but I can't any setup like me on the forum.

It's basically a Mitsubishi 50-trim. The TD06H turbine outflows the popular Garrett T31 turbine, so this turbo would actually be more effective at making power than it's Garrett equivalent.

TD06 20g is good but I dont know the top end lets say 8k rpm.

Very popular turbo with three possible turbine choices. Each will effect the turbo's spool and should be chosen by the amount of boost you're looking to run and the peak airflow you're looking at making.

am not going external wg, my money is tight to 1.3k , am going to get the FP race manifold since I sold my manifold....

None of these turbos will work well with an internal gate. You should really look at going external off the o2 housing and running a less expensive manifold for now then upgrading the manifold later if you choose. You'll make more power dollar-for-dollar by spending the money you would've spent on the FP manifold on an external gate setup.