I was looking to make a custom fmic kit on my own using a fmic core from ebay but in the end for a couple hundred bucks more saw i can just get a clean bolt-on kit. I was wondering what are your inputs on the punishment 2g budget fmic kit ? It looks nice, easy to install, and is affordable. I am planning on getting me a fmic kit by the time i get my tax return back. If any of you have this kit on your 2g, pics and feedback will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Well, as long as you only want eBay quality you'd be fine, but don't buy a Punishment FMIC and expect it to be better than the eBay kits because, well, it really is an eBay kit. Need proof?
Wow what a throw-off. I knew there was something funny to it's price. What's your opinion on just-intercoolers ? And if i were to get the kit i might as well get it from punishment as the price seems to be cheaper with them.
After looking at both the ebay kit and "Punishments kit" it does seem to be the same kit. I think PR's is cheaper because by looking from thieir website they dont include the greddy knockoff bov and the ebay kit does include it...
Well i can always re-sell the knockoff bov for cheap as i already have the type-s. The hell with it i think i am just going to get it, can't argue much for the price.
+1. It is included. I have this kit and am going to install it this week. It is a very nice kit and Tim has always responded to my questions and has had great customer service. I was even missing a part of the kit and before I had a chance to call to inquire, it was in my mailbox. I'll post pics and everything, starting tomorrow evening.
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96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Thanks for the input boostjunki ! Would love to see pics in this thread whenever you get them. It will be greatly appreciated. Take pics of every angle possible of the kit from tb to the turbo. Thanks again in advance.
This sounds like a great kit due other than the low flowing intercooler, which is typical of ebay cores, but overall this is an insanely good price for a good reliable product, even with a 2-3 psi loss.
I never meant to imply it was any worse than the other eBay stuff out there, its probably better because if something goes wrong theres an actual shop there to call for tech support, BUT realize that it is a eBay item and not on the level with ETS, SBR, DVDT, etc.
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I never meant to imply it was any worse than the other eBay stuff out there, its probably better because if something goes wrong theres an actual shop there to call for tech support, BUT realize that it is a eBay item and not on the level with ETS, SBR, DVDT, etc.
Thanks for the input and heads-up info kahl. I have no problem ordering this kit as initially i was going to get an ebay core anwyays and my car will be my DD, not all out race so it should be fine.
Ok I am going to clear up some the BS that's getting posted on here. There is nothing "fishy" going on and nobody is avoiding any ones posts, believe it or not we have a business to run and parts to build and I dont have time to sit on the forums and respond to every single post thats made about our parts, our business or anything else. Usually I only know about the posts because one of our customers will let us know about it. We dont have salesman who sit on the forums all day pushing parts, we try to let our parts and customer service speak for itself.
Now if you were to do any research into the subject you would know that the 1g kits were developed along with cxracing as a budget kit because the only other options on the market at the time was $700+ this isnt anything top secret and has been discussed on this very forum numerous times
We have worked with them in developing the 2g budget kit as well, again this isnt anything top secret. We needed a partner to work with who had experience in putting together "budget" intercooler kits that could meet the quality and performance goals we were looking for and they did it. We spent almost a year fine tuning the design and now have a product that we feel will compete with any street fmic kit on the market. Outsourcing the building of intercooler kits certainly isn't anything new in the dsm world thats for sure.
Now as for using the same pictures on our website, I didnt realize this was going to be a huge deal and I will get the website updated as soon as we have a chance. This is a pretty common practice to save time, I mean we have 10+ other shops who sell our o2 housings and manifolds and 90% of them use the pictures off of our website, does that mean they are all up to some top secret stuff as well
And as far as any performance concerns with the kits we sell, we have had two customers of ours "upgrade" from our budget 1g fmic kit to a name "brand name" competitors kit hoping to make decent hp gain's. They each picked up less than 10hp, so until I see solid numbers proving otherwise I've heard about enough of the more $=more hp arguments when it comes to our budget kits.
Thanks for taking the time to post here Tim. For all you who are worried, I personally took this kit out this evening and examined every piece. It has everything posted on the website and more. The BOV was not even listed.
Tonight, I just finished removing my old FMIC and pipes; everything is ready for the PR FMIC kit. I am off on Tuesday and will be installing the kit.
Here's some pics of the kit, as promised. More to come as I install the kit.
The kit.
Up close pic of mounting bracket.
One of the IC pipes.
T-bolt clamps, couplers, and BOV.
BOV.
Couplers are 4-ply and are available in black or blue. I got them in black.
T-bolt clamps.
Aluminum brackets.
I have more pics of the core. I will upload them tomorrow.
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96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Last edited by Boostjunki84; 01-05-2009 at 09:19 PM.
nice i got the core from ebay/cxracing, it is a great FMIC, so thanks (did't know you guys had a hand in it) but now i need piping lol. Let me know how that mounting bar works, might have to change how i have mine mounted, looks to drop it a bit lower then what i have mine, so Pic's is a must
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Thanks for taking the time to post here Tim. For all you who are worried, I personally took this kit out this evening and examined every piece. It has everything posted on the website and more. The BOV was not even listed.
Tonight, I just finished removing my old FMIC and pipes; everything is ready for the PR FMIC kit. I am off on Tuesday and will be installing the kit.
Here's some pics of the kit, as promised. More to come as I install the kit.
Make sure to take pics of you installing it and it installed. I think i just found my intercooler that im gonna get.
Ok I am going to clear up some the BS that's getting posted on here. There is nothing "fishy" going on and nobody is avoiding any ones posts, believe it or not we have a business to run and parts to build and I dont have time to sit on the forums and respond to every single post thats made about our parts, our business or anything else. Usually I only know about the posts because one of our customers will let us know about it. We dont have salesman who sit on the forums all day pushing parts, we try to let our parts and customer service speak for itself.
Now if you were to do any research into the subject you would know that the 1g kits were developed along with cxracing as a budget kit because the only other options on the market at the time was $700+ this isnt anything top secret and has been discussed on this very forum numerous times
We have worked with them in developing the 2g budget kit as well, again this isnt anything top secret. We needed a partner to work with who had experience in putting together "budget" intercooler kits that could meet the quality and performance goals we were looking for and they did it. We spent almost a year fine tuning the design and now have a product that we feel will compete with any street fmic kit on the market. Outsourcing the building of intercooler kits certainly isn't anything new in the dsm world thats for sure.
Now as for using the same pictures on our website, I didnt realize this was going to be a huge deal and I will get the website updated as soon as we have a chance. This is a pretty common practice to save time, I mean we have 10+ other shops who sell our o2 housings and manifolds and 90% of them use the pictures off of our website, does that mean they are all up to some top secret stuff as well
And as far as any performance concerns with the kits we sell, we have had two customers of ours "upgrade" from our budget 1g fmic kit to a name "brand name" competitors kit hoping to make decent hp gain's. They each picked up less than 10hp, so until I see solid numbers proving otherwise I've heard about enough of the more $=more hp arguments when it comes to our budget kits.
Tim
Sorry I don't buy it. WHy is the price from cxracing soo much more than yours? If you guys were partners you would sell at a very similar price IMO.
Also, if you guys have time, why do some back to back testing with this fmic vs some other ones out there, like the SSAC.
Personally, why would someone buy your budget 2g fmic kit when they can get a SSAC kit cheaper, and it's got a lot less piping.
From someone who is very good at welding, I'm very surprised that you didn't fab up a UICP made out of 1 or 2 pipes. It's like your almost asking for a boost leak.
Also, who makes the core itself?
Have you guys tested this kit out on your 2g car to see if the coolant temps skyrocket?
Ok I am going to clear up some the BS that's getting posted on here. There is nothing "fishy" going on and nobody is avoiding any ones posts, believe it or not we have a business to run and parts to build and I dont have time to sit on the forums and respond to every single post thats made about our parts, our business or anything else. Usually I only know about the posts because one of our customers will let us know about it. We dont have salesman who sit on the forums all day pushing parts, we try to let our parts and customer service speak for itself.
Now if you were to do any research into the subject you would know that the 1g kits were developed along with cxracing as a budget kit because the only other options on the market at the time was $700+ this isnt anything top secret and has been discussed on this very forum numerous times
We have worked with them in developing the 2g budget kit as well, again this isnt anything top secret. We needed a partner to work with who had experience in putting together "budget" intercooler kits that could meet the quality and performance goals we were looking for and they did it. We spent almost a year fine tuning the design and now have a product that we feel will compete with any street fmic kit on the market. Outsourcing the building of intercooler kits certainly isn't anything new in the dsm world thats for sure.
Now as for using the same pictures on our website, I didnt realize this was going to be a huge deal and I will get the website updated as soon as we have a chance. This is a pretty common practice to save time, I mean we have 10+ other shops who sell our o2 housings and manifolds and 90% of them use the pictures off of our website, does that mean they are all up to some top secret stuff as well
And as far as any performance concerns with the kits we sell, we have had two customers of ours "upgrade" from our budget 1g fmic kit to a name "brand name" competitors kit hoping to make decent hp gain's. They each picked up less than 10hp, so until I see solid numbers proving otherwise I've heard about enough of the more $=more hp arguments when it comes to our budget kits.
Tim
Thanks tim for the clear-up and info. I should be ordering my fmic from you guys asap after i get that tax return check in the mail.
WHy is the price from cxracing soo much more than yours?
Why does this matter to you? seriously...
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Also, if you guys have time, why do some back to back testing with this fmic vs some other ones out there, like the SSAC.
At the price of the kit, I doubt they have time to test it back to back with other kits. I'm sure between a few members you could compare dyno results and intake temp numbers.
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rom someone who is very good at welding, I'm very surprised that you didn't fab up a UICP made out of 1 or 2 pipes. It's like your almost asking for a boost leak.
I doubt they had that much to do with it overall. whatever worked and was easy/cheap/cost effective to make is what happened. At this price you could buy two kits, and modify them and you still would not spend the same amount of money for "another brand" kit that 9/10 doesn't even have aluminum piping.
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Also, who makes the core itself?
eh probably some old lady sitting in a big factory making 10 cents an hour.
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Have you guys tested this kit out on your 2g car to see if the coolant temps skyrocket?[/
Eh, im sure if you stick to using a stock radiator and fan, you may see some increase but I would hope at this point you would spend a few bucks on a nice radiator/fan setup. I prefer to set the PR kits up using their radiator kit with the dual 12inchers setup as pushers in front of the radiator. This also gives extra clearance for larger turbos and the hot pipe.
I hope this answers your questions, as I felt most of them were obvious.
That doesn't answer shit.
You can't compare your intake and coolant temps compared to someone else car, being that everyone lives in a different climate, has different mods, different elevations etc etc. Hence why it needs to be done at a the same place on the same car.
Whatever, if you guys want to piss your money away and have multiple boost leaks, knock yourself out.
Also FYI when the ssac kit first came out it was all aluminum piping. However mine wasn't and I made my own piping upper and lower for less than $100 and that includes having someone weld them at $20 a weld. I have 1 pipe on the upper and 1 on the lower. That's it.
Boost leaks happen and the parts to be at fault are to be blamed on the couplers and clamps used, not the piping. If they are coupled and clamped on real good there shouldn't be any problem. After all it's not like the customers will be running rocket-high boost levels, this is a budget kit for those looking to run moderate boost levels on DD cars with mild mods/bolt-ons.
I've never had one issue, with any of the 1g PR kit's that i've used. I've modified them myself to maf-t setups, and i've installed them on about 5 cars. the t-bolt clamps work just fine, and the couplers are 4 ply, and I have not had an issue with one yet. (I assume the 2g kit is the same, but I have had no direct experience with it)
My only personal complaint is the 1g kit is suspended without a good mounting point and relies on the piping to keep it in position. I created my own bracket that bolts to a JM fab race bumper to fix this problem. I think the 2g kit, has a great design with the brackets included.
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You can't compare your intake and coolant temps compared to someone else car, being that everyone lives in a different climate, has different mods, different elevations etc etc. Hence why it needs to be done at a the same place on the same car.
Duh, I just thought it would be a quick easy rough comparison. I never said it would be exact or your ideal comparison test. I highly doubt you will be pissing your money away. It looks quality, and the cores are the same cores floating around everywhere. they're definitely not greddy, Garret or Spearco but they get the job done. for a fraction of the cost.
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and have multiple boost leaks, knock yourself out.
Man, how will you have multiple boost leaks? Unless you cant put a pipe on a coupler. and secure the clamps right. I don't see the problem. Go buy some new couplers, hell buy some overpriced t-bolts that probably came from the same place if that makes you feel better its still cheaper than most kits, and will perform. lol
Still not sure why your hell bent on knocking this kit, i mean seriously have you ever owned a PR kit?
Expensive doesn't automatically mean better. How is an $800 FMIC kit actually worth twice as much? I have the SSAC style FMIC and love it. Even when it was hot outside, the passenger side half was cool when the inlet was too hot to hold. It was almost always cold by about 1/3 of the way across.
I know how to clamp things together, it's not a complicated process so no I don't have boost leaks. Get real.
Just in case you can't see it very well, in the last pic I measured the length on the intercooler; the core itself is 22" long and including the end-tanks is 29". All measurements are just as PR's site claims.
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96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Sorry I don't buy it. WHy is the price from cxracing soo much more than yours? If you guys were partners you would sell at a very similar price IMO.
Also, if you guys have time, why do some back to back testing with this fmic vs some other ones out there, like the SSAC.
Personally, why would someone buy your budget 2g fmic kit when they can get a SSAC kit cheaper, and it's got a lot less piping.
From someone who is very good at welding, I'm very surprised that you didn't fab up a UICP made out of 1 or 2 pipes. It's like your almost asking for a boost leak.
Also, who makes the core itself?
Have you guys tested this kit out on your 2g car to see if the coolant temps skyrocket?
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Oh look. I guess they're not partners.
Partners is a very loose term. PR could very well have "partnered" up with CXRacing to create these kits and then buy them in bulk for a fraction of cost and resell them back for cheaper while CXRacing just takes what it created with PR and sells them as well for a different price. You wouldn't know the terms they had. It's not like CX stated that PR cannot sell them for lower. Nobody would know except for CXR and PR.
Also, for the amount of money you saved, you can dyno the damn car yourself.
And just cause an intercooler cost 1 grand, doesn't make it the best. Take a look at the Greddy 24R FMIC. It's a POS. And BR proved it I believe with their FMIC shootout. Another note, I seen improper welds blow open. Just cause it's welded does not make it boost leak proof. I'm sure Magnus' SMIM proved that very well. I hope you can judge welds carefully. If not, maybe yours will blow out sooner than these 4-ply couplers that come with the kit.
Another note, an FMIC install will always guarantee coolant temps to skyrocket. The best thing to do is modify the bumper. If you haven't paid any attention to threads lately, there was one on DSMLink.com with a guy that did everything but cut out that lower black piece on his bumper. He was fighting coolant temps until he cut it out. It was then they stabilized.
Really, I seen your thread in Link and even posted it. You seem to just like bashing crap that isn't on your car.
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