Mitsu or Garret or BW?

[KPEclipse]

Ok seriously, and I'm not starting this to start a fight or a rant or whatever, but this sits on my brain and I really want to get different peoples opinions so I can make the best selection myself.

Ever since I started with these cars, dsm's that is, everyone always told me that a 16g or e316g would be enough power for me, it's a great turbo, go with the MHI turbo, so on and so forth. Now, although I don't have my car back right now, I suspect that the turbo will have ALOT of power in it, but won't blow me out of the water considering I ran my 14b at 22psi, with no knock, and it pulled HARD, side by side with my friends EVO.

What I'm wondering it, on par with what I was always told, people would always tell me stick with mitsu turbos, they are the best turbo's, yada yada yada.

Now imperically, that seems to be true. Why do I say that? I barely see ANYONE running mitsu 20g's anymore, it's all 50trim world out here. Now that BW has stepped on the scene as well as some of these Holsets (the HX35 is supposed to pull like nobodies business) the 20g gets buried even deeper in the back of the closet.

Another fact that I was told well before I even knew what it meant, haha, was that a 20g is more hassle than a garret bc the mitsu turbos are oil and water cooled, while the garretts are just oil cooled = less sh!t to blow up.

Sitting here thinking, I honestly still think that the 20g is a great turbo, and i thought it was rated into getting people well into the 11's, correct me if I'm wrong. I also understood that, sure, it had lag, but it wasnt too laggy @ all, so it was still an AWESOME street turbo?

At the end of the day, I like 20g's. But I'm not going to go to one if in that price column, I can get a better, more boost happy, street friendly turbo. I wanted to just bolt a 20g on my car by the middle of the fall, and be happy, hitting 26+psi and spanking damn near ne car I came across....

 

[DSMboostin15]

I think that the reason for not seeing too many 20g's anymore is due to the price. A new 20g will cost about $900. For that price, there are some nice turbos out there, like you said, that offer better spool, flow, etc. The main reason that everyone used 20g's in the past is due to the fact that you could bolt them on with little modification, but now there are tons of hybrids that offer a Mitsu-style turbine housing. Take the Holset HC-1, HX-35, etc. These turbos can be had on Ebay for around $550 used. Throw in a BEP housing, maybe a rebuild, and you have a monster turbo for about the same price or less than a 20g. Don't get me wrong, I love Mitsu turbos, but when it comes down to cost, there are better bangs for the buck.

 

[Twistaye]

Well I agree with you and I'm actually about to buy a 20g myself, not because I think it's the best turbo money can buy for what I'm looking for; but because I can get an awesome deal on one right now and it'll keep me very happy with my GST while I build my BW S258 GSX. I agree with you though - at the end of the day the 20g is an awesome turbo, but with increasing technology it was only a matter of time that another turbo would come out that could take the 20g down.

 

[bastard dsm]

people always think bigger is better,well the tdo6 20g flows as much as a 57trim. i think the best turbo for you is based on how much power do you want to make. a car making 300hp on a e16g will be faster than a car making 300hp on a 60-1 because of the broad powerband the 16g puts out.

 

[KPEclipse]

with a new 20g being around that price...you don't think its worth it? the post above me says, a 20g fvckin FLOWS. like 11 second times flows. and still has big time streetability.
i mean im sure a used 20g would be around 550 or maybe a lil more just like an hx35, and its already bolt on. it seems the same thing that the holset offers a 20g offers, maybe a bit less, but the 20g is alot less hassle. i mean with a holset ## lookin @ external gate, bep housing, and possibly oil restrictor.

you dont need ANY of that with an internally gated 20g. i mean 900 for a 20g which flows more than a SBR G50(which costs $723 brand new) i seem to think is worth it i mean, idk...and wouldnt a 20g be more streetable?

 

[bastard dsm]

well get the trubo that best suits your needs,if your aiming for 300hp then stick
with a mhi turbo.

 

[KPEclipse]

i think the 20g is good for over well 300hp if the 16g is good for over 400 horse...

 

[droppinbottom]

What amuses me lately is people saying this turbo is good for xxx power because xxx did it. People need to remember that just because a very select few have made big power on a 16g that does not mean the average Joe will do the same. Call it what you want but a 16g is usually good for right around the 325awhp mark.

OP do your own research and get what suits your goals/needs.

 

[dsm-onster]

Another amusing thing is that people mention to run a turbo that is sized to their application. . . Understandable, if all turbo brands/groups incorporate the same tech.

But, my small 16g doesn't spool any faster than my BIG holset h1c. I have the flow of a 20g and more efficiency at higher boost than the 50-trim. And I paid as much for the setup as the small 16g including the external gate.

If I picked a turbo properly sized for the goal of 330whp, then I would have still the small 16g and have lost out on all the potential and no negatives. I guess I could have stuck with a 14b and tried real hard to push it to off the map, because I want a rebuilt turbo to blow again.