RS60T issues

[cfisher]

I'm on my 2nd one right now as the 1st one lasted me about a month when it blew the oil seals. I am using there oil line kit and oil line return kit as well. I went out last night and took the intake off to check for shaft play and there is absolutely none. The wheel does not move up or down or in and out so I was extremely happy. Then I went to go spin the wheel and I barely moves. I could spin my old 20g and it would free spin for at least 15 seconds. This one feels doesn't even spin for a second and I have to use my finger to get it to move. I'm assuming this is not a good sign and I already had them replace my 1st one and they state it is a 1 time only warranty so it won't be replaced or fixed. This one has been on my car for about 6 months or about 3000 miles. Looks like I am probably shit out of luck. I would love to get a response from AGP on this and see if there is anything they will do for me on one of there turbo's (RS60) or if they will give me a deal on repairing this for me. I feel I just threw $700 down the toilet. I never had any issues like this with my TD06 20g. I believe this is mainly Turbonetics fault as I have heard nothing but good things about AGP and there turbo's. I've also heard they have excellent customer service and hopefully that will come into play here. I have pretty much built my car with AGP parts and have spent alot of money with this company. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated or comments on the turbine wheel and if it is toast.

 

[black91awdturbo]

sorry to hear about this I hope that you can get some kinda deal on the rs60 cause if not you are out some cash.

 

[fwdeclipse]

Does the turbo not make any boost?

 

[cfisher]

Does the turbo not make any boost?

The turbo seems to build boost just fine. I'm running 21psi and there is no oil seam issues on this one. The only problem I really see with it is the wheel does not spin freely. With my old 20g I could spin the wheel and it would spin for at least 10 seconds. On the RS60T I gave it a spin and it stopped as soon as I took my finger off the wheel. Again, no shaft play at all in and out or side to side and no blown oil seals.

 

[pickens]

All I can say is good luck. I've long been over the hit & miss quality of turbonetics RST variant turbos.

 

[dsm-onster]

My car is in pieces. And so I have my RS60T right here at my desk... It is brand new. It does not spin as fast as my Small 16G or my 18G which happens to be right here on my dsk too... You don't have any smoking issues or shaft play. You can build boost jsut fine. Do you know how much heavier the rotating assembly of the 60-1/t31 compaired to the 20G? My wheels won't spin for seconds after I push them. I can turn my turbo around and the wheels won't rotate on their own... It is the nature of the beast. Start to worry when you're not getting boost, your smoking, or you're getting a shrill unnaturally loud whistle noise.

The turbo seems to build boost just fine. I'm running 21psi and there is no oil seam issues on this one. The only problem I really see with it is the wheel does not spin freely. With my old 20g I could spin the wheel and it would spin for at least 10 seconds. On the RS60T I gave it a spin and it stopped as soon as I took my finger off the wheel. Again, no shaft play at all in and out or side to side and no blown oil seals.

You're a worrywart just relax... Enjoy it. You can't compare the spinning between a 20G and a 60-1 .

 

[blue1]

Just wait till this one does the amount of work your old 20G has and i think you will find the wheel will spin a bit free'r, if you are making boost that high it is spinning pretty quick regardless of what your finger can do to the impeller.

 

[cfisher]

Sorry to bring this thread back from the grave. Anyone out there actually have one of these turbo's last longer than a year. My 2nd RS60T in 1 1/2 years just blew again. I noticed AGP stopped selling these as well. I wonder why?

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Based on personal experience (with an SBR G50, same as AGP RS49T) it is due to the turbonetics CHRA. It seems that these CHRA's just can't stand the abuse most DSMers put 'em through. I have switched to a garrett CHRA type turbo (BB5031) and I have had ZERO problems with this new turbo.

 

[bfdahl]

My RS 49 went a little over a year

I was just changing my exhaust manni out and happend to ck the turbo. It had major shaft play and starting to touch the housing. It had no seals blown (yet) and seamed to run OK, but I wasnt about to put that turd back on!

Now I too am running a Garrett CHRA GT3076. Very happy with it so far

 

[Thomas91169]

just for shits and giggles, where was the oil source? Head or Pump?

 

[blcknspo0ln]

-4AN 24" SS oil feed line from the OFH, no filter, still have my balance shafts, and using supplied oil restrictor right before entering the CHRA.

 

[cfisher]

-4AN 24" SS oil feed line from the OFH, no filter, still have my balance shafts, and using supplied oil restrictor right before entering the CHRA.

Same here and ran it right off the OFH. I purchased this turbo for $700 and spent another $100 on the oil feed line and return line from AGP. The 1st RS60T I put on lasted about 3 months and started smoking out the back. A week later it was done and I had 007 smoke screen. Even at idle it would smoke up the entire intersection. Sent that one back and was told my engine spit out a chunk and ruined the wheel WTF. No way in hell that happened but whatever. So they sent me a new one about a month later and suprisingly, this one lasted me almost a year. It started with the same shit though and about a week ago started blowing smoke again under boost and at idle. I'm not going to have this rebuilt, I'm not going to try and sell it because that would make me like them, selling turbos that they knew had issues. I was told this is a 1 time replacement and they will not do anything about it even knowing that they were selling these turbos with these types of issues. There are about 50+ of us DSM'ers in KC and we will all be taking our business elsewhere from now on. I am shocked that a site sponsor would seriously adverstise this turbo not only on there website but a special on this one. I had heard nothing but good things from others about AGP and that is why I went to them because of there great products and great customer service. Great products my ass and customer service HAHA. I was told by Ben that my car caused this issue, there is nothing wrong with these turbos, and to contact them with an attorney if I have any other questions. I pulled up at least 15 different threads all with the same issue and the same responses.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Sorry to hear about your experience. It seems concurrent with most guys that actually know what they're talking about, is that AGP as a company (and most what they sell) is top-notch quality. However, with their (and other vendors) recent outbreak of the turbonetics CHRA type "50 trims" is where lies the problem. Most people blamed the 270 thrust bearing and when the 360 was used, other things such as build quality, excess oil pressure, seals, etc. started to be questioned.

Either way, Garrett seems to be a whole different ball game. Well, at least to me it is.

 

[project_tsi]

Same thing with my G50, basically a RS49T. Little over a year, about 8k miles on it. Shaft is "lumpy" to turn, etc. Doesn't spin freely anymore. Not a lot of shaft play, but looks like the comp fins have touched the housing. Seals went bad. Looks like the hot side seals are worse, nothing but raw wet oil covering the hot side, blowing smoke everywhere, but no oil in IC piping. Like most of you, I'm going Garrett this time around, and much bigger!

 

[pickens]

Yep my RS49t crapped twice. However, I raised a big stink and got the BBB involved because the website didn't say anything about a onetime deal on the warranty. Needless to say, they replaced both turbos after trying to blame my engine. Those turbos definately have an oiling problem on a dsm.

 

[bfdahl]

Yep my RS49t crapped twice. However, I raised a big stink and got the BBB involved because the website didn't say anything about a onetime deal on the warranty. Needless to say, they replaced both turbos after trying to blame my engine. Those turbos definately have an oiling problem on a dsm.

I think the turbos have other issues than oiling I think they just come with very sloppy tolerances, IE made in China

 

[cfisher]

Yep my RS49t crapped twice. However, I raised a big stink and got the BBB involved because the website didn't say anything about a onetime deal on the warranty. Needless to say, they replaced both turbos after trying to blame my engine. Those turbos definately have an oiling problem on a dsm.

Thank you sir. I'm going to give AGP a call one last time and see if they still want to fight this out or settle on getting this one replaced. Last time they told me if I have a problem to contact them with an attorney so I imagine I will get the same response. I am very disappointed to say the least about this company. I hope the $700 is worth the loss of business from the midwest, complaints with the BBB, and attorney fees. I hope they are reading this as well and I will keep everyone updated on there response.