RS60T took a dump

[Coup D E'Tat]

The other thread, "RS49T, questionable quality" was closed, so I'll post a new thread.

After only a few months of boosting, my RS60T took a dump on me. Car started smoking like a freight train, so I took it home. My enitre garage filled with a blueish smoke, and smelled like burnt oil. After a few other tests, I yanked the turbo off. Oil came out of the exhaust housing, and smelled horribly like burnt oil (I still smell like it, actually .) I also noticed some roughness on the compressor wheel, and saw some nicks in the compressor cover.

Guess I'll be calling AGP tomorrow to get my return number , and the car will be down for a while I'm sure, because I've heard nothing but stories of long waits, and I'm not sure if I have everything needed to put the 14B back on (oil feed stuff. I'm going to see if I can get a 1/4" flare fitting to Mitsu. center-section adapter, and use my SS oil line.)

Later,

Jesse

 

[c5chris]

Keep us posted on your grievance with AGP. I hope Ben takes care of you.

 

[icedearth15]

Jesse, you need to go with a real man's turbo like a sc-61 by pte and forget about that turbonetics/bullseye garbage . Seriously though check out the 3575 for 1,145, it has your name on it.

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[Coup D E'Tat]

Jesse, you need to go with a real man's turbo like a sc-61 by pte and forget about that turbonetics/bullseye garbage . Seriously though check out the 3575 for 1,145, it has your name on it.

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You know, it was actually you who, the other night, told me "for the price of the FP stuff, you could pick up a BB PTE and an intake."

Oh, how quickly we forget

I might go SCM61 with a JM SMIM, I have a while to think everything over.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

that was quick I wonder when my G50 will crap out on me.

goodluck and DEFINITELY keep us posted, I'm curious to see how each vendor will hold up to the new "bolton 50 trim" craze. hopefully I won't be the one to account for SBR in the near future

 

[pickens]

I'm sorry to hear another's grievance from this AGP and turbonetics stuff. If I were you, I would sell the new turbo to somebody who still believes in AGP/turbonetics, then go buy something thats more durable. Good luck.

 

[dalatinromeo]

sorry to hear about that man. another AGP turbo dying within a short life span

I would definitly sell the new AGP turbo you get back, and invest in a different turbo company.

 

[CorvetteBoy]

Another Hybrid failure, looks like i am just gonna go the route of TD06 20G.. Screw this!

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

In all fairness to AGP, this isn't their fault. I'd place the blame on possibly Turbonetics' QC.

They seem to be fair with returns, it just takes (Turbonetics) a while to get it back, which is a pain in the ass.

And no, it won't be going back on the car, but shh, you're going to make it hard for me to sell.

 

[johnfsmith]

The other thread, "RS49T, questionable quality" was closed, so I'll post a new thread.

After only a few months of boosting, my RS60T took a dump on me. Car started smoking like a freight train, so I took it home. My enitre garage filled with a blueish smoke, and smelled like burnt oil. After a few other tests, I yanked the turbo off. Oil came out of the exhaust housing, and smelled horribly like burnt oil (I still smell like it, actually .) I also noticed some roughness on the compressor wheel, and saw some nicks in the compressor cover.

Guess I'll be calling AGP tomorrow to get my return number , and the car will be down for a while I'm sure, because I've heard nothing but stories of long waits, and I'm not sure if I have everything needed to put the 14B back on (oil feed stuff. I'm going to see if I can get a 1/4" flare fitting to Mitsu. center-section adapter, and use my SS oil line.)

Join the club! My rs49t just went back to them too. I replaced it with the pte dual bb and couldn't be happier with the new turbo. I was disappointed in the rs49t from the moment I had it running, even thought about going back to the evo3. Good luck!

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

Join the club! My rs49t just went back to them too. I replaced it with the pte dual bb and couldn't be happier with the new turbo. I was disappointed in the rs49t from the moment I had it running, even thought about going back to the evo3. Good luck!

Well, I saw as much as 49lbs/min out of the turbo, but I never got to fully use it. I can't complain too much about the performance (except for the Bullseye housing )

How long did it take to get your RS49T back?

If it was up to me, I'd get a refund, even if it included the restock fee, but I know that won't work

 

[johnfsmith]

Well, I saw as much as 49lbs/min out of the turbo, but I never got to fully use it. I can't complain too much about the performance (except for the Bullseye housing )

How long did it take to get your RS49T back?

If it was up to me, I'd get a refund, even if it included the restock fee, but I know that won't work

Just sent it back last week. They couldn't give an answer as to how long it would take. They said it depends on if they can fix it or if they have to send it to turbonetics to be fixed.

 

[project_tsi]

My G50 is starting to show sings of going out. There is no blue smoke, yet. But there is sticky oil inside the comp. cover.

 

[pickens]

The reason why I place some blame on AGP is the lack of support they give for dealing w/ turbonetics and this repair issue. They just pass the buck and tell us the customer "I sorry, but I don't know how long it will take to get your turbo up and running. Could be tomorrow, could be next month. Just wait because you probably caused the turbo to fail anywyay" Thats unaccepatble, and instead they should actively pursue and communicate w/ T-netics if they are truly the bottle neck since we are (actually were) customers of AGP.

 

[pickens]

And yes, the evo3 rocks

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Well, I saw as much as 49lbs/min out of the turbo

at least that turbo did something right

 

[92awddsm]

Funny how all of a sudden, eveyone is having problems with the agp/turbonetics turbo. When agp first offered these turbos, there was a thread on here about them. I stated I wouldnt ever own one because I have had 3 t'netics turbo fail on me in the past. Then everyone commenced flaming me and saying the failure had to be my fault because turbos dont fail 3 times in a row. WTF Now, everyone else is starting to have problems with t'netics and what do they do? Run straight to pte. If I remember correctly, everyone hated pte at the time because they had some issues with the 270* thrust bearing that they used to run standard. I guess the pte bb is the new hot fad amongst the cool people, huh? Oh well, I will just stick to my old pte that I bought against everyones opinion and wait to see what the new fad is next year. rant over.

 

[Ben K]

Amazingly enough and most of you probably won't believe this, but the only Turbonetics failures we see are on DSMs. Come to think of it, I'm trying to think of the last custom assembled Garrett turbo that failed on a non DSM.

Another thing to understand is that you're only going to hear about the ones that fail. Someone isn't going to start a thread with the title "I had a great RS49T Boosting Experience Today!" I would still have to say that 95-97% of these Turbonetics hybrids are still running perfectly. I guess the more you sell, the more can and will fail given the percentage, and we're only going to hear about those in threads like this.

Pickens, you're obviously still upset that Turbonetics didn't give you your money back. If you still feel you have an unresolved issue with AGP, I'd appreciate your contacing us privately through our attorney. You should still have all his contact information from last time.

 

[pickens]

If the only failures you see are on DSMs, then perhaps there is something incompatible w/ the oiling system on the 4G63 and the T-netics center section (e.g. pressure, flow, viscosity, or temperature). That may be coming from left field, but it seems like you've made a correlation there. If I was marketing a product as a "bolt-on DSM turbo" and then there seems to be a number of failures on DSMs (and not neons or the like) then I would look very closely into what is going on between the applications if I was about customer service.

And yes, after all the headache I went through over my RS49t purchase, I have a bitter taste left.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

92awddsm - Yes, you're right, but there's mixed reviews on every turbo. Seeing as how AGP thought enough of them to sell them, I figured I'd give it a whirl. And, like I said, the turbo was pushing good airflow up until it died.

Please, this is not an anti-AGP thread. Ben was more than helpful with me on the phone yesterday, and so far I couldn't ask for better service. The warranty is for a replacement/rebuild, not a refund, and I understand this. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer my money back, but hey, a free CHRA overhaul is a hell of a warranty.

Ben, I'm not sure if you'll see this or not, but last night after talking with you, I measured my drain tube, and it's just a hair under 3/4" I.D.

Here's some pics, by the way, for anyone who is interested. The nicks in the compressor housing could be coincidence, but there is also some roughness in one section. I didn't get a picture of that, because it was about 10* and I wasn't wearing a jacket

 

[project_tsi]

Ben, can you give any reasoning behind why you have seen the excessive failure of these turbo's on DSM's? This reminds me of the CF dual friction clutches. They have worked flawlessly in many other applications, but somehow the way they work in DSM's is skeptical.
I'm interested to find out what you know about this.

 

[92awddsm]

92awddsm - Yes, you're right, but there's mixed reviews on every turbo. Seeing as how AGP thought enough of them to sell them, I figured I'd give it a whirl. And, like I said, the turbo was pushing good airflow up until it died.

Just to make myself a little clearer, I by no means have any problems with agp. They are a great vendor and I would never say a bad thing about them. I have just had problems with turbonetics before and choose not to purchase anything from them if at all possible. I just dont want anyone thinking that I have a problem with agp.

 

[RoasT BeeF]

Didnt you just void the warranty by taking it all apart?

 

[Steve93Talon]

Didnt you just void the warranty by taking it all apart?

How is removing the housing "taking it all apart"?

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

Didnt you just void the warranty by taking it all apart?

Exhaust housing isn't under warranty, only the CHRA (straight from AGP a few months back.)