50 trim choice....

[LA97GST]

I just noticed that BOTH AGP's RS49T and SBR's G-50 are on sale for 699.......wow! I was going to just buy a 16g for 550 but I now changed my mind. I know I don't yet have the supporting mods but I just want to buy one while they're cheap. Have any of yall run these turbos? What are your impressions about the performance. BTW I will be running DSMlink, 255lph, SBR FMIC, 750's, AFPR, and all the other little mods.

 

[damnslowtsi]

I don't have either (I run pte on the fwd and the talon is still on 16g) but want to bring to your attention the 1 year warranty that AGP one has. Not sure if SBR offers warranty on their turbos. For me it would be the decisive factor.

 

[Burnett03]

go agp.. slow boys are basically a pte 50trim and PTE turbos are known to leak and develop shaft play.

 

[Fattie92]

AGP's RS49t and the RS60t are both really really nice turbos for the money! And you cannont beat the 1 year no questions asked warrenty! I plan on going with the rs60t soon. I was also looking at the SBR G50, but turbonetics is a better brand IMO, and the RS60T will out flow both turbos.

 

[LA97GST]

Yea well im not ready for a 50 trim much less a 60. Thanks I order my RS49T in 2 days when i get payed.

 

[LA97GST]

They told me the internal WG is a 38mm. That should be enough eh? I want to go external O2 mount, but can't find an affordable O2 housing with tial 38mm flange on it. If you know one please inform me.

 

[Fattie92]

My plan is to go with the SBR manifold (ported) and have them weld up the flange to that. But i was also lookin into the o2 mounted WG, but seemd to be more expensive.

 

[LA97GST]

My plan is to go with the SBR manifold (ported) and have them weld up the flange to that. But i was also lookin into the o2 mounted WG, but seemd to be more expensive.

I heard that mounting the WG on the number 4 runner is not as effective in controlling boost as a O2 mount.

 

[Fattie92]

I heard that mounting the WG on the number 4 runner is not as effective in controlling boost as a O2 mount.

I have read that too. Not to sure how much better it is, or if it is even better at all, but i have read it. Id like a little more insite on this subject.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

go agp.. slow boys are basically a pte 50trim and PTE turbos are known to leak and develop shaft play.

What do you think AGP's are? They all use the exact same CHRA, just diff. turbine housings.

 

[flinguist]

I heard that mounting the WG on the number 4 runner is not as effective in controlling boost as a O2 mount.

If you mount an external waste gate on the O2 housing, you're still relying on the turbo exhaust housing waste gate passage to allow enough flow to prevent boost creep. Basically, it would be the same as going with an internal waste gate. By mounting the gate on your exhaust manifold, you're limiting factor would be the size of the external gate passage (ie 38 mm, or whatever the size of the gate), which is larger than the turbo exhaust housing passage. Mounting the gate on your manifold is the way to go.

 

[LA97GST]

What about a 38mm internal gate, dumped O2 housing, 2.5 DP, 2.5 test pipe, and 3inch cat back? Think any creep?

 

[oldman]

What about a 38mm internal gate, dumped O2 housing, 2.5 DP, 2.5 test pipe, and 3inch cat back? Think any creep?

Anything you do or don't do after the internal gate, 34/38 mm gate, dump tube(does notthing for creep), external on o2...etc. depends heavily on how well the wastegate entrance area in the turbine inlet is ported. Opening up the inlet providing a direct path the wastegate is the key.

 

[Fattie92]

Anything you do or don't do after the internal gate, 34/38 mm gate, dump tube(does notthing for creep), external on o2...etc. depends heavily on how well the wastegate entrance area in the turbine inlet is ported. Opening up the inlet providing a direct path the wastegate is the key.

So then just going striaght off the manifold would be the best bet?

 

[oldman]

So then just going striaght off the manifold would be the best bet?

If you're going external, mounting off the collector on the manifold would be the best choice. If you ask me, most boost creep can be cured through porting.

 

[Fattie92]

If you're going external, mounting off the collector on the manifold would be the best choice. If you ask me, most boost creep can be cured through porting.

now, is there a big differance in the runner you go off of? I hear some go off #1 and some go off #4. Either way, the presures should be the same..

 

[92awddsm]

go agp.. slow boys are basically a pte 50trim and PTE turbos are known to leak and develop shaft play.

Well, the agp rsxxt series is a turbonetics which is more known for failure than the pte. Thats why they come with a 1yr no questions asked warranty. Also, the older pte's had the problems you speak of but supposedly have been remedied.

Its ashame that 1 manufacturer had a problem before that has been fixed. Now they cant seem to
shake the bad name because of it.

 

[oldman]

now, is there a big differance in the runner you go off of? I hear some go off #1 and some go off #4. Either way, the presures should be the same..

You're asking the wrong person when it comes to external wastegate. It would probably be pretty difficult phisically to mount it on #4 if you ask me. Like I said, someone else should chip in on this.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

Well, the agp rsxxt series is a turbonetics which is more known for failure than the pte. Thats why they come with a 1yr no questions asked warranty. Also, the older pte's had the problems you speak of but supposedly have been remedied.

Its ashame that 1 manufacturer had a problem before that has been fixed. Now they cant seem to
shake the bad name because of it.

As far as I know, the T series RS turbos have no more probablility to failing than any other turbo, such a claim has no proof, or data to back it up, unless a vendor gets on here and says so. Just because it is warantied doesn't mean it is junk. If thats the case no body would drive a car, the waranty is just a bonus. Not to mention, Turbonetics is one of the largest turbo manufacturers out there, and if they are joining with AGP(which is known for quality pieces and customer service) I highly doubt the outcome would be a junk turbo. And if I remember correctly the PTE's early failure was due to their use of a 270 degree thrust bearing as opposed to the 360 one they use now.

 

[92awddsm]

As far as I know, the T series RS turbos have no more probablility to failing than any other turbo, such a claim has no proof, or data to back it up, unless a vendor gets on here and says so. Just because it is warantied doesn't mean it is junk. If thats the case no body would drive a car, the waranty is just a bonus. Not to mention, Turbonetics is one of the largest turbo manufacturers out there, and if they are joining with AGP(which is known for quality pieces and customer service) I highly doubt the outcome would be a junk turbo. And if I remember correctly the PTE's early failure was due to their use of a 270 degree thrust bearing as opposed to the 360 one they use now.

The only reason I speak badly of turbonetics is because I have ran several of their turbos and never had any good luck with them. My dsm isnt my first turbo car but its the only one I havent ran a turbonetics turbo on and havent had any failures. My personal data is all I need to base my decision on.

If you have owned three and all three failed, would you buy another one or even recommend one to someone else? I didnt think so.

 

[bfdahl]

The only reason I speak badly of turbonetics is because I have ran several of their turbos and never had any good luck with them. My dsm isnt my first turbo car but its the only one I havent ran a turbonetics turbo on and havent had any failures. My personal data is all I need to base my decision on.

If you have owned three and all three failed, would you buy another one or even recommend one to someone else? I didnt think so.

If i owned three turbo and all failed i would question my abilities!

case in point a guy competing in the fastest street car challenge was being pitted by a reputal DSM vender, and had a turbo failure and Imediatly they condemed the turbo and just threw a new turbo on! and didnt think twice that maybe there was another reason causing the failure to begin with! It lasted 20 minutes

but, on the other hand alot of stuff is comming in from China and who knows where all the junk ends up!