Blew my t-25, now what?

[swarm]

I blew my T-25. I have $1500 to budget here. My mods are:

1G Bov
K&N
TurboXS MBC
NGK BPR6ES
Taylor 8mm Wires
B&M CommandFlo FPR
Walbro 255LPH HP
Toyo Proxies 4's
Konig Verdict 18's
2.5Catback w/ Flowmaster 40
No Resonators
Palm Datalogger
Boost, Air/Fuel, EGT Gauges

What should I do? I was thinking Evo III 16g, Install kit, DSMlink, DP, and 660's.
My goals are a mid 12 second street car, daily driver, friday night track car.
I know with the sidemount I will only get in 2 passes until I heatsoak my I/C, but that's OK for now. I will get a FMIC later. BTW, I am a '95 eprom, so I was also thinking of getting a keydiver chip.

What do you guys think? Please no worthless responses.

 

[firefighter_637]

i would go with the 16g evo all ported and everything and the install kit and the upgraded injectors and that almost reaches your budget

 

[swarm]

What shall I tune with?!

 

[blcknspo0ln]

of course we all know the answer is DSMLINK. if you can't afford it the SAFC will get you into 12's easily with proper tuning.

 

[overdoseheroin]

id get a td06 20g and an SAFC. pick up some 650's too. that might cost more than 1500 tho

 

[NyQuiL07]

bullseye to4b.

a little o/t, how do you like that b&m command flo?

 

[GSXforlife]

What shall I tune with?!

buy my t25 its for sale 68k

 

[1993eclipseGS]

You should buy myturbo with 100 miles on it. New pics fully polished turbine housing and compressor housing but i'd hafto email them.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=17642&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

 

[daren_p]

Sounds like your on the right track. EVOIII is a great street turbo & will get you into the mid 12's. You could go with the td0620g like someone else mentioned but I think you would need a fmic & that would be more then your $1500 budget. You could probably run it at low boost until you could afford a new ic but its also going to take ~400 rpms or so more in lag compared to the EVOIII. If your looking for the best way to tune defently go with DSMLink, its worth the extra money over the safc/logger combo. Upgrade your downpipe & port your stock mani & O2 sensor housing. If you do get the DSMLink to tune with go larger then 660 injectors since with DSMLink you can make basically any injector run like the stock. Larger injectors are not that much more & that way you wont have to upgrade them if you descide to get a larger turbo sometime. I run FIC 750's with my EVOIII on DSMLink .

 

[Tallen]

The EVO3 will treat you right, none of that Bullseye junk for an AWD car with 12sec goals. And get rid of that "FPR", it's actually a Fuel Pressure RISER. It does not regulate down like you need to... Either get a N/T FPR or a Fullthrottle, etc one that actually works.

 

[1029TSG]

Build your own custom turbo

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

none of that Bullseye junk for an AWD car with 12sec goals.

I would consider reading the bullseye t04-b thread before bashing them. Their turbos are EXTREMELY popular, and if I recall correctly, a lot of big manufacturers get their turbine housings from bullseye, so I wouldn't call them "junk".

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138149

Over 1000 posts and counting.

 

[Tsi_User]

do you have any fabrication skills?

If you do I'd go with EVO 16g with 650cc injectors and the EVO o2 housing. Also pick up an SAFC for tuning. Keep the boost down until you can upgrade that puny FMIC. Good luck!

 

[ChrisFlo]

The EVO3 will treat you right, none of that Bullseye junk for an AWD car with 12sec goals. And get rid of that "FPR", it's actually a Fuel Pressure RISER. It does not regulate down like you need to... Either get a N/T FPR or a Fullthrottle, etc one that actually works.

Its apparent some people shouldn't talk. For just about the same price as an evoIII, you can get a higher flowing t04b which can EASILY get you into the 12 second range.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

"Its apparent some people shouldn't talk. For just about the same price as an evoIII, you can get a higher flowing t04b which can EASILY get you into the 12 second range. "

" I would consider reading the bullseye t04-b thread before bashing them. Their turbos are EXTREMELY popular, and if I recall correctly, a lot of big manufacturers get their turbine housings from bullseye, so I wouldn't call them "junk".

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138149

Over 1000 posts and counting "

 

[ChrisFlo]

"Its apparent some people shouldn't talk. For just about the same price as an evoIII, you can get a higher flowing t04b which can EASILY get you into the 12 second range. "

" I would consider reading the bullseye t04-b thread before bashing them. Their turbos are EXTREMELY popular, and if I recall correctly, a lot of big manufacturers get their turbine housings from bullseye, so I wouldn't call them "junk".

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138149

Over 1000 posts and counting "

Did you mean to add something in there?

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Nope, Just thought i'd copy and paste them both so the idiot that said the turbo was junk, Could read it twice. I'm the one that started the t04b discussion, It's not junk

 

[ChrisFlo]

Nope, Just thought i'd copy and paste them both so the idiot that said the turbo was junk, Could read it twice. I'm the one that started the t04b discussion, It's not junk

Haha, good stuff. Yeah, it was you who actually referred me to that turbo, I was ready to jump into the evoIII before you said anything, so thanks. I'm glad I made the choice I did.

 

[Injected]

If you do get the DSMLink to tune with go larger then 660 injectors since with DSMLink you can make basically any injector run like the stock. Larger injectors are not that much more & that way you wont have to upgrade them if you descide to get a larger turbo sometime. I run FIC 750's with my EVOIII on DSMLink .

I was reading this and I've never heard of this. Do you mean that you can run 750's and at idle and off boost driving you would get gas mileage like you have the stock injectors? By the way, what size are the 2G injectors (besides too small), I hear talk of the JDM motor's stock injectors, but never USDM injector sizing.

 

[daren_p]

I was reading this and I've never heard of this. Do you mean that you can run 750's and at idle and off boost driving you would get gas mileage like you have the stock injectors? By the way, what size are the 2G injectors (besides too small), I hear talk of the JDM motor's stock injectors, but never USDM injector sizing.

2g's come with 450cc injectors. Yes if you are using dsmlink to tune with you can tune your large injectors to run as good as the small stock injectors. If you are using something like the safc you wont be able to get your large injectors to idle like stock, with dsmlink your car will idle like stock. Also with an safc when you start to run large injectors, say 680cc+, you need to enter such a -tve value to get the proper compensation that the ecu thinks you are flowing much less then you actually are, therefore putting you in the wrong fuel/timing maps. You'll end up with way to much timing advance & your timing & fuel curves will look like crap. Since dsmlink isn't a piggyback system you dont have to worry about this & you'll get nice timing/fuel curves even when your running large injectors.

 

[Attack Eagle]

I would consider reading the bullseye t04-b thread before bashing them. Their turbos are EXTREMELY popular, and if I recall correctly, a lot of big manufacturers get their turbine housings from bullseye, so I wouldn't call them "junk".

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138149

Over 1000 posts and counting.

A lot of people buy intakes at walmart for their hondas... Doesn't mean it's the best piece from a performance or cost benefit perspective. Quoting popularity as a basis for it being "GOOD" is why blinky light 0-1v o2 meters are still sold as air fuel guages, as well as a lot of other parts.

I'd say get the DSMlink and a 25$ t25... that will get you running and playing with the link.
Find a set of 660s... and bet happy with your tuning there...

THEN go get that bigger turbo once everything is as clsoe to reasdy as it can be and you should have little difficulty getting those 12s you want with a little more tunning. All the tuning you did with the t25 and then with the bigger injectors will get you ready for that final step.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

A lot of people buy intakes at walmart for their hondas... Doesn't mean it's the best piece from a performance or cost benefit perspective. Quoting popularity as a basis for it being "GOOD" is why blinky light 0-1v o2 meters are still sold as air fuel guages, as well as a lot of other parts.

I'd say get the DSMlink and a 25$ t25... that will get you running and playing with the link.
Find a set of 660s... and bet happy with your tuning there...

THEN go get that bigger turbo once everything is as clsoe to reasdy as it can be and you should have little difficulty getting those 12s you want with a little more tunning. All the tuning you did with the t25 and then with the bigger injectors will get you ready for that final step.

There is a night and day difference between an intake and a turbo. Cost being the big one. Yes popularity isn't the best way to guage quality (look at ssautocrome and the cheap ass ebay stuff), HOWEVER bullseye has a good rep, and if they sold more than a handful of multi hundred dollar turbos that were later returned or failed due to manufacturing defects, their business would tank. There is a huge difference between 100 for an intake and 500-800 for a turbo. Not to mention, your average idiot could stumble through an intake install, they wouldnt even get their car to turn over if they tried to install a turbo. Most of the people (NOT ALL) know what they are doing when they invest in something as expensive and complicated as a turbo.

 

[Jeff_Jeske]

If I was you....I would get a cheap 14B and slap it on there.

And its true that DSMLink is fine for bigger injectors. I have my 850cc idling like stock. I also get 24MPG at 75MPH even with the SPOOL.

JJ