Anybody that is running or know anything about this turbo plase share with the class

me

www.smartboxllc.com/mirage

I'm not turbo savvy, but I believe I'm running a variation of it.

can you be a bit more detailed?? What makes you think you are running a variation of the pte sc-61

Does anyone know the trim size, and other details of this turbo

56 trim GT40 compressor wheel.

Forced Performance and us have been using that wheel long before there was an "SC61".

what are your thoughts of that setup? how much air does it flow. what is Forced performances version of it. anymore info would be great

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...duct_Code=NTDSMFP3065&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96844

AGP's is a L3R, but I'll let Ben tell you about it.

There is also a SC-63 turbo. now its is suposed to flow a bit more. What are the details on it? What is the fastest anyone have gone on one of these turbos?

The sc61 uses a 6blade 56trim GT40 compressor wheel measuring 61.2mm Inducer and 81.7mm exducer. This is the same compressor wheel used in the L3R, FP3065 and the GT14 cratridge(or turbo). The turbine in the 61 is a 10blade 76trim T350 wheel measuring 62mm exducer and 71mm major. It is commonly mistaken as a "stage 5" wheel. This is incorrect, as it leads poeple to believe this is a turbonetics wheel. The compressor wheel flows 65lbs per min. This turbo has already made over 600whp. I have this combo, built by AGP. I am currently getting 25psi at 4300rpm. Some lag between shifts, but very little. rdrkt is also using it. It seems to LOVE his 4G64. What else you need to know?



Now with all that said, get a 50trim

I have a 50trim already.
why do you say this?

"quote by gsx4life"
The sc61 uses a 6blade 56trim GT40 compressor wheel measuring 61.2mm Inducer and 81.7mm exducer. This is the same compressor wheel used in the L3R, FP3065 and the GT14 cratridge(or turbo). The turbine in the 61 is a 10blade 76trim T350 wheel measuring 62mm exducer and 71mm major. It is commonly mistaken as a "stage 5" wheel. This is incorrect, as it leads poeple to believe this is a turbonetics wheel. The compressor wheel flows 65lbs per min. This turbo has already made over 600whp. I have this combo, built by AGP. I am currently getting 25psi at 4300rpm. Some lag between shifts, but very little. rdrkt is also using it. It seems to LOVE his 4G64. What else you need to know?

did you mean to write " the turbine in the 63 is a 10blade......."

Ok one more question. Ive been looking into the fp3065. I love this turbo so far. Would the sc-61 or 63 be basically the same except they mate to a t3 flange?

Originally posted by FastRthenU
Ok one more question. Ive been looking into the fp3065. I love this turbo so far. Would the sc-61 or 63 be basically the same except they mate to a t3 flange?

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No the FP model to my knowledge uses a GT30 turbine wheel. In my unlearned opinion it is too small. A t350 will flow a ton better and wont add THAT much more lag.

Originally posted by FastRthenU
I have a 50trim already.
why do you say this?

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Because people reading the types of questions you are asking would recommend a smaller turbo which is a lot easier to tune/setup properly.

My question to you is what happened to this?

Originally posted by FastRthenU
Iam done asking questions on this forum. because I usally get bullshit responses like these

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So do you need our advice or not Do you think you could go to another forum and have Mr Turbo GSX4Life quoting you compressor specs off the top of his head? So either say you're sorry or piss off.

First off. I like this formun and the majority of the ppl on it. What I dont like or need is ppl telling me that I have to hit an 11 second quarter mile to be takin serious. I never asked what do you think of my abilities of building, and comprehension. So why ppl are answering those questions i dont know. Also for ppl to answer these question without knowing me,or my capabilities. I think is pretty ignorat. I had a 50 trim and I thought it was a great turbo. But I know its not enough for what I want. I know I only went 12.1 @ 117 on pump gas, and that wasent good enough for some ppl, to think Im serious about this. Look if you want to help me great. If you dont just the same. But if you think iam going to say sorry, your sadley mistaken:laugh:

"did you mean to write " the turbine in the 63 is a 10blade......."



No, I meant 61, as in sc61. As far as me saying to get a 50trim because you dont know anything, or doubting your ability, Im not. Im sure your a great tuner and driver. This is something I say on most turbo posts. I think your 12.1 on pump is awesome. What are you going for? But if you think your going to go faster on pump, with bigger turbo, your most likely wrong. Now race gas and higher boost levels, maybe. The fact that your just seeing this info, when many have known the whats what about these turbos for the last 6 months, I will let alone. You need to research a little more. Get a little more familiar with these combos before making a decision.

Originally posted by FastRthenU
First off. I like this formun and the majority of the ppl on it. What I dont like or need is ppl telling me that I have to hit an 11 second quarter mile to be takin serious. I never asked what do you think of my abilities of building, and comprehension. So why ppl are answering those questions i dont know. Also for ppl to answer these question without knowing me,or my capabilities. I think is pretty ignorat. I had a 50 trim and I thought it was a great turbo. But I know its not enough for what I want. I know I only went 12.1 @ 117 on pump gas, and that wasent good enough for some ppl, to think Im serious about this. Look if you want to help me great. If you dont just the same. But if you think iam going to say sorry, your sadley mistaken:laugh:

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what is your ultimate goal?

If you cant max out a 50trim then there will be no performance gain in going to a larger turbo like the gt40 56-trim. If you are planning on keeping boost low and running pump gas then your car will probably be slower in fact.

I knew of these turbo's but had not done any serious research into them because I has just bought my turbo when these came out. As for research your right and that is what Iam tryin to do now. I never did max the turbo out, because I didnt really have the chance. I only drove the car a few months with a completely new setup. Basically everything was new, and I was just trying to figure everything out. By the time I got the setup working some what properly I burnt some valves. I never really went over 24psi on the turbo. Never had a chance to dyno it either.

As for the goal of the car. Its going to be a complete trailer queen for Pro Street in NCRA. I would like to run low 10's next year. Again Im going with a whole new setup basically.

Originally posted by FastRthenU
First off. I like this formun and the majority of the ppl on it. What I dont like or need is ppl telling me that I have to hit an 11 second quarter mile to be takin serious. I never asked what do you think of my abilities of building, and comprehension. So why ppl are answering those questions i dont know. Also for ppl to answer these question without knowing me,or my capabilities. I think is pretty ignorat. I had a 50 trim and I thought it was a great turbo. But I know its not enough for what I want. I know I only went 12.1 @ 117 on pump gas, and that wasent good enough for some ppl, to think Im serious about this. Look if you want to help me great. If you dont just the same. But if you think iam going to say sorry, your sadley mistaken:laugh:

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listen dude,i don't have a problem as of yet.. but you really need to take the advice you geat greatfully,and lose the arrogant prickish attitude,especially towards the wisemen,do you think they have that staus because they don't know whats up? if they are nice enough to give you advice,you take it to heart and reply with a thank you.

"No the FP model to my knowledge uses a GT30 turbine wheel. In my unlearned opinion it is too small."

It is too small for applications where 600+ whp is a serious goal. On the other hand it is big enough to run 145+ mph / 550-585whp and small enough to produce 1.28 60' times while offering a boost threshold around 4200rpm on most cars.

There is a special order version of the FP3065 with a larger GT35 TW, FP3565 for people wanting to give up some more boost response and be less streetable. It will crest 600whp much easier than the smaller GT30 TW. This is available but only suits maybe 2% of the population. Remember that when you get into this power level the number of cars that can use this becomes very small.

Originally posted by forcedperf
It is too small for applications where 600+ whp is a serious goal. On the other hand it is big enough to run 145+ mph / 550-585whp and small enough to produce 1.28 60' times while offering a boost threshold around 4200rpm on most cars.

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Blah blah blah. Yeah Curt Brown's car is a really good comparison to most of the cars on this forum If I could find a way to pilot my car by remote control it would still be 500lbs heavier than Curts. 550 hp is enough to get your average car into the low/mid 130s and most of us could only hope for low 1.6 60s. Launch high enough pop the clutch on a set of slicks with a JIC suspension and only good can come from that.

I still think that you can move to a T350 turbine wheel without a large increase in lag while having a really nice impact on top end. Now as I said before this is just my opinion. I know you are the turbo vendor but please don’t use Curt Brown as some sort of example to us street car guys. Gary A is doing his absolute best to make my statement look stupid because he is running the same setup into the 140s and he still weighs around 2700lbs.

I love how opinions shift when we use a persons accomplishments as an example to credit or discredit our ideas. When we want to use curt brown to prove and validate a point that's fine. But when we don't agree we discredit the same example to validate a different point of view.

Originally posted by jdmawd
I love how opinions shift when we use a persons accomplishments as an example to credit or discredit our ideas. When we want to use curt brown to prove and validate a point that's fine. But when we don't agree we discredit the same example to validate a different point of view.

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I think what he does is simply incredible. I really respect and am impressed with what he does. I don’t think I have ever said Curt was a good example of what a street DSM could try and replicate. He has always been incredibly faster than any other DSM on the same turbo.

What I think it funny is that all of a sudden everyone is going low 12s at exactly 117 on pump gas. Damn that sound familiar to me.

Originally posted by rdrkt

What I think it funny is that all of a sudden everyone is going low 12s at exactly 117 on pump gas. Damn that sound familiar to me.

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I find a whole lot of things immensely funny. I just choose not to post them all on the Internet.

Edit: if that's in reference to me. Im not sure what your definition of all of a sudden is. I ran that in July, I guess time passes at a different rate on the Internet. Is 117.8373748439283893 mph better? now its not exactly 117.

Hummm......I wonder if that statement is directed towards me even. I have the slips to prove my times, and ppl on this board have seen me run it. Oh and I also have video's

can we get back on topic here.

i am also very interested in these turbos, mainly because a sc63 ball bearing turbo can be had for a measly 800 dollars!

Much cheaper than the fp3065 ball bearing turbo, am i correct? or did I see it on their site for over 1300?