Hello, i was just trying to find out any of your opinions on if i should buy a B&M short throw sifter or not. My eclipse gs 2.0 N/T has few mods. just cold air intake and exaust. would paying the 100 or so dollars benifit me enough to pay that much or should i spend it on a different upgrade. thanks for your imput.

Every 2G that I've owned/driven, I installed one. They are definitely worth the money.

But you might as well get the knock off on eBay. It's identical to the B&M and it costs a fraction of the price of the B&M.

I have one and I love it! Definitely worth it And as 99_gstracer said, look at the eBay one. (And you can also search on here for shifter bushings as those are a miracle upgrade!)

Get the $30 eBay clone. Same part. Yes, you want it. The difference, even at 35%, is wonderful. Change your transmission lube to Pennzoil Synchromesh (if you have a 4G63), too.

Defiant said:

Change your transmission lube to Pennzoil Synchromesh, too.

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Since the NV-T350 transmission found in 2gnt's uses paper backed synchros for the 3rd-5th gears and the reverse brake, it is recommended to use the old Mopar NV-T350 fluid, or ATF+4. Synchomesh, Synchroshift, and the others dont offer adequate protection to these synchronizers.

Yeah I know, it sucks.

I prefer my Fidanza short shifter over the B&M. (drove cars car with both).

As referenced above- I just installed my "ebay" short shifter and it is just as good as any B&M i've driven and it came with a shift boot (that doesn't fit ). It cost me about $35.

meek

DGajre777 said:

I prefer my Fidanza short shifter over the B&M. (drove cars car with both).

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Why?

The ebay one yes its worth it. The $150 priced B&M one, not so much knowing the ebay one is the same for only $30 shipped.

I also decided to get the "ebay" short through shifter... it was $30.00. It was a piece of $h!t, it had a ton of "slop" or play in it. I ended up grinding down the bushing that runs through the base and now it is fantastic. And yes I would also upgrade the shifter bushings, cheap and easy.

PieEyedPiper said:

Why?

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The throw is in between the 2 B&M settings and is shorter in height.

Locke said:

Yeah I know, it sucks.

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Ha! If you've ever driven a AWD and then a N/T... you'll wish they could've made the AWD tranny 1/2 as nice as the N/T.

I miss my old 2gN/T tranny.

might not matter to all, but this may affect some peoples decision.
when I bought my cheapy shifter from dsmparts it came with a stainless shift knob. looked ok, but I already had a greddy counter wieght. well when I went to install the shifter, my greddy would not thread onto the shifter! I called dsmparts about it and they said that it came with a knob and to just use the one that came with it.
hmm.
like I said, some people may be ok with this. I was not.
also please be advised that not all cheapy shiters come with the wrong threading. some of the cheapies DO come with the correct knob threads.

Good luck!

I ended up buying my B&M shifter locally (one of the few parts I didn't get from the US) & got ripped of doing so (which is why I don't buy many things here). Think they were around $140 US back when I got mine, I paid something stupied like $230 CDN & have to say even for that I still think it was a good purchase. That combined with urthane shifter plate bushings & bearings at the tranny end of the shifter cables makes the shifting so much better. When I get into a stock shifter dsm, it feels really strange how poorley a stock dsm actually shifts, compared to what mine feels like.

I have a genuine B&M short shifter with the Road/Race Engineering shifter bushings and I absolutely love the feel of my gearbox. 100% improvement over stock.

Which bushings are people referring to the shifter bushings? I replaced the 4 rubber bushings on my DSM that mounts the shifter plate at the base of the shifter to the floorboard with some Energy Suspension Polyurethane bushings and didn't really notice a difference. Is this this same as what most people in this thread are referring to, or is there another bushing that I need to replace?

95CarbonEclipse said:

Which bushings are people referring to the shifter bushings? I replaced the 4 rubber bushings on my DSM that mounts the shifter plate at the base of the shifter to the floorboard with some Energy Suspension Polyurethane bushings and didn't really notice a difference. Is this this same as what most people in this thread are referring to, or is there another bushing that I need to replace?

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There are 2 sets of shifter bushings - the shift plate bushings (the ones you are talking about - shifter plate to the floor) and the shifter cable bushings (where the shifter cables connect to the tranny.

Are the shifter cable bushings located under the center console or under the vehicle?

95CarbonEclipse said:

Are the shifter cable bushings located under the center console or under the vehicle?

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They are located under the hood.

Here's a picture of them. They are on the ends of the shifter cables. The ends of the cables have a circle and the bushing slips inside of the circle. The bushing then has a hole in it and slips over a pin that is connected to the bracket that controls the tranny.



Edit: Here's a picture of what all comes with the SpeedSource underhood shifter bushing kit. You can see the two brass bushings that I was talking about above.

Do any of these short shifters come with the stop so you don't over throw it and break a fork?

chicagoavenger said:

Do any of these short shifters come with the stop so you don't over throw it and break a fork?

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I don't know about the others, but my JNZ shifter does. I highly reccomend it.

http://www.jnztuning.net/proddetail.php?prod=Std-Shifter

95CarbonEclipse said:

Which bushings are people referring to the shifter bushings? I replaced the 4 rubber bushings on my DSM that mounts the shifter plate at the base of the shifter to the floorboard with some Energy Suspension Polyurethane bushings and didn't really notice a difference. Is this this same as what most people in this thread are referring to, or is there another bushing that I need to replace?

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I was referring to the Energy Suspension shifter plate bushings that Road/Race sells. Initially, I just purchased the B&M short shifter and that was a nice improvment as it got rid of a lot of the play and definitely reduced the throws. But eventually I went back and put in the ES shifter plate bushings and I noticed an additional improvement as it took alot of the "notchiness" out of the gearbox. While it didn't make as big of a difference as the short shifter made, the shifter plate bushings still made a difference none-the-less. For the money, the gains are worth it... I'd recommend them to anyone.

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Here's a picture of them. They are on the ends of the shifter cables. The ends of the cables have a circle and the bushing slips inside of the circle. The bushing then has a hole in it and slips over a pin that is connected to the bracket that controls the tranny.

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Edit: Here's a picture of what all comes with the SpeedSource underhood shifter bushing kit. You can see the two brass bushings that I was talking about above.

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Did you notice a difference with the cable bushing kit? I've always thought about giving them a try but I really haven't heard much about them. Maybe I should just give them a shot... especially considering Speed-Source is only like 5 minutes from my house.

I noticed a slight difference, but nothing compared to the shifter base bushings. My stock bushings weren't bad at all, but the shifter seemed to stop in gear (like, if you really slammed it from 2nd to 3rd, it stopped at the top of 3rd) a lot better. I haven't really driven it much since I installed them though.

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