I am trying to find a turbo that can come across as stock (to the nazi's that try to prohibit it). I don't mind having to do some modifications to make it look more stock like. I just want some ideas and see what you guys have done thus far and that worked. This will be my daily driver. Roadrace told me to get a 20g with a 90 elbow and slowboy is saying to just go ahead and use a EVO316g.

I looked at the greddy 18g turbo kit. It would do the trick but people are saying it is a big waste of money. Then there is the Bigt28 and that seems to be even worse. Right now I got a 14b. All my other turbos(Evo3 16g and 57 trim t3/t4) got jacked! But, now I am ready to get a good solid street setup that could put out around 350 awhp on pump gas.

I would greatly appreciate your opinions. Any ideas will be considered and what ever you say about your experiences will be also influental on my choice.

So, if you say t28, sounds good. If some sort of t3/t4 that you got away will, then tell me how you did it. I am just trying to find a way to have my cake and eat it too!!! Thanks

the TD06 20G because it has a mitsubishi symbol on the comp housing

Ok. so what about the intake pipe? Do you know of anyone having problems with a 3" intake pipe getting pointed out in some sort of inspection and failed/ticketed? Thanks for the reply

just buy a 3" intake slap a K&N sticker on it. Then buy a K&N FIPK which comes with a CARB STICKER slap that on the intake too and your set. Anything else?

I like the way that sounds. Thanks

go with the 20G.

I even went a step further with my 20g, my heat shield is carved to fit over it as well so it looks even more stock...=)

20g for sure. You can also paint all of your pipes black (intak, ic, exhaust) to make it look more stock. Like someone said above, the 20g has a mitsu symbol on it.

whos voting for the 16G? if you got the setup and the cash, why go not go with the 20G.

If you are only looking for 350 hp and want stock appearing, I say go with the big t28. It will get you to your goals with proper supporting mods and a good tune. I would stay away from anything that doesnt look stock period. And the evo3, 20g, etc does not look stock on a 2g. You never know, the smog ref might even own a 2g gsx and he will definately know the 20g isnt stock but he would never be able to tell that the big 28 isnt stock without taking a bunch of measurements.

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSMFPBIG28&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo

Wimploki passed the smog ref with an Evo III installed.. for reference..

Thats funny you say that. When I went to a test only station before I had my evo3 on and the guys were like "man, we can't pass you, this turbo ain't stock" so, they called up the ref and told on me. So, I go there and he says my greddy bov would fail me(because it was adjustable) and my greddy fmic didn't have the c.a.r.b. sticker. he however did not say anything about my turbo.

Well, this is great input. Keep it coming.

92awddsm said:

If you are only looking for 350 hp and want stock appearing, I say go with the big t28. It will get you to your goals with proper supporting mods and a good tune. I would stay away from anything that doesnt look stock period. And the evo3, 20g, etc does not look stock on a 2g. You never know, the smog ref might even own a 2g gsx and he will definately know the 20g isnt stock but he would never be able to tell that the big 28 isnt stock without taking a bunch of measurements.

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSMFPBIG28&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo

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That is why the bigT28 was one of my options but, why do so many people say that is unrealistic? Could you explain maybe some more about what supporting mods would you need to make this a possible realistic 350hp turbo.

Oh yeah, not to many smog refs I know in socal with dsm's. In fact I am one of the few 2g awds in my immediate area (santa barbara county).

Ok, I voted for the 20g. Reason being? Well, because the comp housing is smaller that a hybrid type turbo (t3/t4 or other t4/mhi kind), T28's don't quite has the upper power range I am looking for, 16g type turbos have been noticed as having a different comp cover that is not 2g because of the outlet pipe, The greddy 18g is way over priced and doesn't seem like something I would want to toy with(because of adapter fitting for t3 to 7cm housing/s) and because I don't want to pay $1700+ for a c.a.r.b. sticker, Franks because people just don't seem to use them anymore for various reasons.

For the 20g I am having a 90 degree elbow welded on and modded to make it look more like it belongs there. It has the power range I am looking for on pump gas. Plus what everyone else said about(mitsu symbol) is hard for the smog guys to argue.

In addition I ordered the greddy 24v fmic to make it look like I am doing everything more legit.

I hope that this may help anyone that is in a similar situation. This should not be a final decision for everyone because I am sure there are quite some inteligent people that can think something up that can be a better idea than this.

hopwoodp said:

Thats funny you say that. When I went to a test only station before I had my evo3 on and the guys were like "man, we can't pass you, this turbo ain't stock" so, they called up the ref and told on me. So, I go there and he says my greddy bov would fail me(because it was adjustable) and my greddy fmic didn't have the c.a.r.b. sticker. he however did not say anything about my turbo.

Well, this is great input. Keep it coming.

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Wimploki also passed with a front mount and a greddy type-s, but his bov is painted flat black with a regular screw replacing the big screw for adjustment, so it looks pretty stock-ish. Maybe it just depends on where you go.

You are right about that one. I think in San Diego is probably one of the worst places to be at. There isn't as much street racing going on around here and not too many people in this area are driving dsms. I have only seen maybe 5 in the area. But, I will be sure to take the extra precautions.

How's the spool time on the 20g in comparison to the evo16g? i've been wondering what turbo to put in too with kind of the same goals in mind (300-350whp) but I don't want to have to wait forever to hit boost.

buy a Ball bearing turbo, me and beau have done it, it was the greatest thing i ever got. i have a 57 trim turbo, you can start hearing it at 1750rpm and it makes about a pound at ruffly 2250 rpm i reach full around 3250 its not bad, and full is 14 for me with a MBC, i think if you have an Eletronic Boost controll it could be faster then 3250

This is my latest set up. I using all heat shields covering all i can.

past test only this year.

Check out this TD06H 20g.
It looks like a T25 on roids...
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=151028718&postcount=15

CPHunter said:

buy a Ball bearing turbo, me and beau have done it, it was the greatest thing i ever got. i have a 57 trim turbo, you can start hearing it at 1750rpm and it makes about a pound at ruffly 2250 rpm i reach full around 3250 its not bad, and full is 14 for me with a MBC, i think if you have an Eletronic Boost controll it could be faster then 3250

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Wow, and no problems getting it smogged or did you just go to road race like Beau was talkin about? That's the garret GT28 right? How much'd it set you back? (including the parts to hook it up)

Nice bfdahl. God, you keep your stuff clean, man. It's like it's straight from the factory. Where'd you go to smog something like that? That's the GT30 right?

I'd say go ball bearing as well, I don't see boost on my td-06 20g until 4100 rpm....but then again mine is ported and clipped...

By the way, be ready to buy new axels...I toasted mine

SilverMitsu said:

I'd say go ball bearing as well, I don't see boost on my td-06 20g until 4100 rpm....but then again mine is ported and clipped...

By the way, be ready to buy new axels...I toasted mine

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Yeah, that's what I figured would happen with the 20g...and ouch. Sorry to hear that man but thanks for the heads up.

i went to a regular booty smog joint, i have tubluar headers and a polish turbo housing, people here in the valley can careless really.honestly i'd day do something simple that bolts on like a 16g, takes me an hour to take off my turbo including the intercooler, i am sure i can put the T-25 back on in less. thats what i plan on doing now, makes it so easy. Oh and i hear about how my care won't pass smog, my dad is ASE. they get all into his head about mods an shit, but its my car so he can't do much but report me. so here is my thing to do

GSX- really want to look stock T-28 and you can handle 19 psi in first at 3k
don't care get anything, you don't dyno just get a good tune for 14.7.1

GST-16g and a stock cat will come in handy. i know because alot of Socal guys have come to my house before a smog to put on the cat. and it passed
GST if you don't care- get anything. just put it back to stock around that time,if your good with tools takes less then 2 hours and a good time for an oil change and new water in the system

to add, my turbo isn't ported, and i won't clip it. i could drop it some more,

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Wow, and no problems getting it smogged or did you just go to road race like Beau was talkin about? That's the garret GT28 right? How much'd it set you back? (including the parts to hook it up)

Nice bfdahl. God, you keep your stuff clean, man. It's like it's straight from the factory. Where'd you go to smog something like that? That's the GT30 right?

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Yes, I have a GT 30 now. I have a test only guy that I have developed a relationship with. (not a Broke-Back kind)

It also helps to have a DSM Master Tech patch on your jacket.