Here is some information that we received on the EVO3 GT series turbos. Read it and do what you want with the information. I found it pretty darn informative. Also, we have sold about 50 of these to date. I haven't had any failures still and have had nothing but good reviews. Just my two cents again.

Introducing the

Evo 3 GT


Lately there has been a lot of commotion in the Mitsubishi enthusiast community about the new turbo that was introduced by Turbochargers.com called the Evo 3 GT. “Evo 3” because it fits all Mitsubishi turbo applications, and “GT” because it is upgraded straight out of the factory—no need to pay extra to have it ported and flapped by a machine shop.



Distributors, retailers, and customers that have evaluated it, tested it, and used it, praise it.

Retailers who don’t sell it have knocked it.

This site explains it once and for all.



Ported Turbine Housing

The Evo 3 GT comes equipped with a standard ported turbine housing upgrade. The inside is not shiny, like a normal port job, because the porting was done in the casting and not done by a machinist.



When machinists port a turbo, you never know what you’re going to get. Some port jobs shave too little metal and do little to increase performance. Some port jobs shave too much metal and leave the walls of the turbine housing too thin to withstand the 1200º+ (f) temperatures and 120,000+ RPM spinning of the shaft, and lead to failure.



The GT’s designers studied many different porting designs, and ran each through sophisticated computer tests before we decided on the turbine housing design. And once we arrived on the perfect porting, we reinforced the walls of the turbine housing to MHI factory spec to give the turbo more resilience to heat than a regular ported Evo 3 turbo.



With the Evo 3 GT, customers get a perfect porting every time, with no risk of weakened turbine housing.






Increased Flapper

We increased the size of the wastegate and flapper to help avoid the ominous “boost creep.” This feature on the GT is identical to the aftermarket upgrade available from any turbo shop. The only difference: This upgrade is done at our factory at no additional cost.





Turbo Quality

Nobody wants to buy a turbo and pay for installation only to have the turbo fail in short amount of time. We understand that, and created a turbo that would stand the test of time and abuse as well as, if not better than, the Mitsubishi Evo 3 turbo.



First, the FACTORY used to develop and manufacturer this turbo has a reputation as Taiwan’s highest quality turbo factory. Again, I say Taiwan, not China. Mainland China indeed has a bad reputation for turbo quality, while Taiwan has a reputation for being the best quality manufacturing in Asia. Those companies that are losing customers to the GT want you to believe it was made in China. Not true. This factory is Taiwan’s leading volume turbo factory, and a major supplier of turbos into Japan, and for good reason—quality.



Second, our factory had help FINE-TUNING the turbo before we started selling it. This help came from a mechanical engineering Ph.D. from the Industrial Research Technology Institute (ITRI)—a nationally-subsidized R&D facility in Taiwan that is considered the “NASA of product development”—and from experts at Turbochargers.com.



Third, the Evo 3 GT underwent extensive TESTING before it was released to the public. A factory can develop a turbo in 6 weeks. We took 6 months developing the Evo 3 GT, and 4 of those months were spent testing and fine-tuning.





Test processes

This enormous air compressor pumps heated air into the turbine housing or cool air into the compressor housing. Through the use of sophisticated equipment, they are able to control the heat of the air and flow rate to simulate every circumstance the turbo may encounter during use, then the advanced software (shown below) maps out the results.






Compressor Wheel Testing

To ensure that the compressor wheel can withstand any amount of abuse without breaking, we performed a thorough series of “stop tests.” This is performed by bringing the turbo up to 120,000 RPMs through pumping air into the compressor housing inlet, then, to test the strength of the compressor wheel blades, the compressor housing outlet is blocked, thus putting literally tons of air pressure onto the compressor wheel blades. This test is performed over and over again until the president of the factory is satisfied, usually 40 or 50 consecutive times.



In order to comfortably pass this rigorous compressor wheel strength test, we decided to make the blades on the compressor wheels thicker than Mitsubishi’s. Fundamentally, Mitsubishi’s 49178-01470 (Evo 3) is designed to be stock replacement turbo. The Evo 3 GT was designed and built for racing.






Wheel Balancing

We used state of the art balancing equipment to balance the Evo 3 GT cartridge to Mitsubishi’s exacting tolerances. (see balancing machine below)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/brjrod/Comp.jpg



Turbine Testing

This is the most critical part of turbo. During racing conditions, turbos often heat up to 1200+º degrees (f), and therefore the turbo needs to be built to handle those hellish conditions with ease.



TURBINE WHEEL: Extreme heat can weaken the wheel’s metal alloy and cause it to stretch, bang up against the turbine housing, chip, and then consequentially destroy the turbo. This is the most difficult part of the turbo to test, requiring the turbo to run at red-line speeds for 7 days straight at great expense to the factory. Needless to say, the turbine wheel passed this test with flying colors, not even stretching a fraction of a millimeter.



TURBINE HOUSING: The turbine housing is equally susceptible to heat damage as the wheel. Improperly designed turbine housings can warp and distort the ultra-fine tolerances, or simply crack (like how cheap headers crack). This is tested at the same time as the turbine wheel, 7 straight days of 150,000 RPM at an average temperature of 1300º (f). Like the wheels, the turbine housing performed beautifully.



MATERIAL COMPOSITION: Turbine housings are composed of 42 different elements, but the most important element is nickel (Ni). The Evo 3 GT’s turbine housing is composed of 12.45% nickel, higher than Mitsubishi’s, which gives the GT greater resilience to heat.



COLOR: The difference in color between the GT and Mitsubishi Evo 3 has more to do with the trace elements than the primary materials. Our competitors want you to believe that color is a reliable indicator of quality.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/brjrod/TurbneTesting.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/brjrod/TurbineTesting2.jpg





Evo 3 Packaging

Rather than using shoddy packaging as from Mitsubishi [per UPS reqirements], we chose to spend more money and package our premium turbo with premium packaging. Each Evo 3 GT comes in a ¼”-thickness box, with form-fitted foam for maximum protection during shipping, and two separate pieces of foam for easy removal.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/brjrod/Packing.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/brjrod/packing2.jpg





Misc. Slander

Some of the Evo 3 GT’s competitors are working very hard to convince Mitsubishi enthusiasts that the Evo 3 GT is a fraud, a failure, and a fake.



The truth is, nobody has ever attempted to pass off the GT has a genuine Mitsubishi turbo. Why would we? The GT is a specialty performance turbo that is affordable, not an overpriced stock replacement with overpriced upgrades.



The “China GT,” as some call it, is NOT made in China, but rather in Taiwan—the quality manufacturing capital of Asia. This is a deception of the lowest caliber perpetrated by individuals who are proving themselves to be of low integrity.



Don’t judge the performance of a turbo by its color. Test the GT against the normal Evo 3 on a car, on a dyno, or in a testing lab, and you won’t find an inferior turbo in the GT.



The critics of the GT are so desperate for arguments against our turbo that they have resorted to using fake pictures. The most egregious example of this slander is from Slowboy Racing’s comparison of a “good” Mitsubishi-made Evo 3 thrust bearing against a “bad” Mitsubishi-made thrust bearing. They are claiming that the bad thrust bearing is from the Evo 3 GT. In fact all the pictures are of Mitsubishi thrust bearings. None is of the GT. Notice that both of the thrust bearings they compared have the same numbers?



Please find the real GT thrust bearing picture below, and then decide who’s is better.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/brjrod/ThrustBearing.jpg


In summary

The GT was created to provide the Mitsubishi enthusiast community with a low-cost, high-quality turbo for their Mitsubishi cars. As is the case with any new product, some people with vested financial interests in the current product will say anything, true or false, to ruin the market for the new product. Don’t be fooled by these slander artists into paying more money. The GT is an excellent turbo at an excellent price.

For some reason the pictures with this explanation did not post. I will look into it and try again. Sorry, pretty cool pics.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

The bottom line is that only time will tell whether this turbo is better, worse, or indifferent compared to the "real" EVO3 16g. As I've stated in the other thread, it's not like the Mitsu turbos are bulletproof. I've got a box of 14b and 16g's with trashed thrust bearings, broken wheels, snapped shafts.....

Having said that, the fact remains that you and other reputable vendors misled the DSM community by selling this turbo as a Mitsu turbo so that you can make more money. If TC.com is so confident in this "upgrade", why not post this info up front? Don't cry to us about the price slashing and your inability to make a profit on the EVO3. You're one of the largest DSM retailers out there, you've built your reputation with years of pioneering work, and to pull something like this is just underhanded. As such, you've lost my business and I'm sure I am not alone.

This information just got sent to me, I would imagine that the pictures from the factory testing and othe informations wasn't gathered before. I also did not pass these turbos off, as soon as I found out the specifics, which was shortly after they came out and the debates started I posted what they were on our website. Up until that point I was unaware of where they were built or anything else.

I lost your business from what? Posting some good information about the actual turbos?

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

david buschur said:

I also did not pass these turbos off, as soon as I found out the specifics, which was shortly after they came out and the debates started I posted what they were on our website.

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Quit backpedalling. You didnt notice the "EVO3" stamping on the comp. cover instead of "TD05H"? Please! You only posted what they really were after people caught on and, most likely, your sales stopped. Maybe if you'd just been up front and admitted that you had made an error in judgement when people realized they had been fooled, you wouldn't have to be making posts like this to save face.

Steve93Talon said:

The bottom line is that only time will tell whether this turbo is better, worse, or indifferent compared to the "real" EVO3 16g. As I've stated in the other thread, it's not like the Mitsu turbos are bulletproof. I've got a box of 14b and 16g's with trashed thrust bearings, broken wheels, snapped shafts.....

Having said that, the fact remains that you and other reputable vendors misled the DSM community by selling this turbo as a Mitsu turbo so that you can make more money. If TC.com is so confident in this "upgrade", why not post this info up front? Don't cry to us about the price slashing and your inability to make a profit on the EVO3. You're one of the largest DSM retailers out there, you've built your reputation with years of pioneering work, and to pull something like this is just underhanded. As such, you've lost my business and I'm sure I am not alone.

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Agreed. They get the turbo for cheaper but sell it for the same price??? What is that?

I definately agree...so when someone actually gets hurt or has to constantly rebuild a cheaply product you guys would treat it as "it's out of our hands"? That's so shady it definately opens my eyes to see what some companies wil do to make a buck, definately not getting my business

I like 100%

Read it for yourself.
http://www.slowboyracing.com/evo3vsgt.htm
Im not sure who to agree with or believe, we have SBR saying one thing and Buschur tellings us another.

Thats good reliable information why would you choose to bash one of the best reputable companies out there for DSM's...


I will be buying one of these turbos for my next DSM. or Possibly my Subaru

*Last picture shows it all that the write up SBR did was not even true, how much confidence do you have in SBR's write up now? I sure don't have alot.


Also with the price of the Evo3gt being the same as the regular evo3... Well if you consider if already had a 100-200$ porting job a 50$+ 34mm flapper job that you would have to do to the MHI evo3 turbo to make it the same specs to the evo3gt turbo then it actually comes out to be MUCH cheaper.

Prez said:

Agreed. They get the turbo for cheaper but sell it for the same price??? What is that?

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Because Buschur has to make a ####ing dollar, too. I hate seeing posts like this. The name of the game is to make money, not to be a charity. If he sold turbos at $10 over what he paid, there would be no more Buschur Racing.

I'll be watching this thread very carefully, so everyone take it easy and keep it civil.

JessesTalon said:

Thats good reliable information why would you choose to bash one of the best reputable companies out there for DSM's...


I will be buying one of these turbos for my next DSM. or Possibly my Subaru

*Last picture shows it all that the write up SBR did was not even true, how much confidence do you have in SBR's write up now? I sure don't have alot.


Also with the price of the Evo3gt being the same as the regular evo3... Well if you consider if already had a 100-200$ porting job a 50$+ 34mm flapper job that you would have to do to the MHI evo3 turbo to make it the same specs to the evo3gt turbo then it actually comes out to be MUCH cheaper.

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Ok, so if a Taiwanese company made a knock-off of an '05 EVO8 vehicle, threw on some 18s and floor mats that the "real" EVO didnt have, and sold it for the same price (even though it cost them far less to make), you'd consider it a deal? Even though it has ZERO history of quality to back it up as compared with the real deal? More power to ya.

Every part is new at one point.

Coup D E'Tat said:

Every part is new at one point.

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Indeed it is, and I have absolutely zero problem with a new turbo being offered to the community. If they'd called it the new "DSM-style bolt-on that compares with the EVO3" These threads wouldn't exist. Those who choose to be the beta testers would buy it, those who'd rather sit it out and see how it holds up in the real world would wait. My whole arguement has been the deceptive marketing of this product - from it's naming to it's vendor distribution. I feel bad for the people who bought this without knowing it was a fake. If we don't stand up for each other, then vendors will continue to push the limits of what they'll do to make a buck. Notice how quickly the truth came out after people on these forums caught on? Think about it.

Well, I haven't exactly followed much on the name of the turbo, I'm just throwing up another side to the argument.

Steve93Talon said:

Ok, so if a Taiwanese company made a knock-off of an '05 EVO8 vehicle, threw on some 18s and floor mats that the "real" EVO didnt have, and sold it for the same price (even though it cost them far less to make), you'd consider it a deal? Even though it has ZERO history of quality to back it up as compared with the real deal? More power to ya.

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I don't know what point you are trying to make here but I'm going to respond in a calm and informative way.


SBR did a article on a evo3gt... when in fact they either falsfied key facts or they didn't give a review on the correct turbo. The Article posted by D. Buscher above in this thread even shows pictures that proves that point.

You said to me it has ZERO history of quality... What do you think David Just posted about the history of quality... if the Turbo can stand 7 days straight of 1600 degrees in extreme conditions how is that not upping the quality of the testing of this product.

Business is about Making money and any business man knows it. Weather you are selling Turbos or pencils or water. Business's make profit on everything, you think it costs 540 dollars to make the MHI evo3 turbo and they are selling it to you for 550 and only making 10$. Hell no. They are making a profit just like every other company out there. It just so happens that the product evo3GT turbo has already been manfuctured ported and has a bigger 34mm flapper to prevent boost creep and help you go faster at the track. You think they would do that if they didn't care about the quality or craftsmanship of their turbos, of course not.

These turbos sound like they COULD BE a good turbo to use, BUT before every one bashes them why not wait and see what someone who has installed them has to say about the product. It is not fair to anyone to just say theyre crap because there not MITSUBISHI. Plain and simple

Steve,

You can kiss my backside. I don't back pedal. I was told by Turbochargers they were going to be able to offer me a pre-clipped and ported EVO3 16g turbo for less money than I had been paying in the past. I said great, when you get them send me some. I got an e-mail from a customer pointing me to DSMTuners and the bashing the turbo was taking. After reading it I called Turbochargers and asked what the deal was. When I got the facts I posted them here and changed our website.

I don't back pedal. I was asked to post this information, I didn't write it and to be honest didn't need to post it. The sales of these turbos are going really well, I am able to make a little profit on a 16g for a change and I have seen NO failures. I only posted it to get some real information about the part out.

I'm not here to loose money, I'm not here to rip anyone off and I AM going to stand behind whatever we sell.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

I agree with Steve...if they were called "16g knock offs" or something of that sort then there would not be a thread like this. Falsifying that these were "true" Mitsubishi turbos is wrong on so many levels. You are not only putting your company into jeopardy by false advertising but you are also giving Mitsu a bad name. I agree, let's see how these turbos work with DAILY DRIVEN vehicles. Beta testing them by heating them up to a certain degree for however many days straight is completely different then the hot/cold uses of every day driving. As long as you stand behind this product and correctly state that it is NOT a mitsu turbo and is a knock off that was built with cheaper parts, and also warranty against failures, then I would consider it fair.

david buschur said:

I'm not here to loose money, I'm not here to rip anyone off and I AM going to stand behind whatever we sell.

David Buschur

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And that's why someone like me, who has to measure every dime spent on mods will continue to do business with someone like you. Should my Big 16G ever go south, I'd be more than willing to try one of your GT's with complete confidence.

Rock on Dave!

Andy

david buschur said:

Steve,

You can kiss my backside. I don't back pedal. I was told by Turbochargers they were going to be able to offer me a pre-clipped and ported EVO3 16g turbo for less money than I had been paying in the past. I said great, when you get them send me some. I got an e-mail from a customer pointing me to DSMTuners and the bashing the turbo was taking. After reading it I called Turbochargers and asked what the deal was. When I got the facts I posted them here and changed our website.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

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I'll re-iterate, you didn't happen to notice it said EVO3 instead of TD05H on the casting? Right. Regardless, i've dealt with your arrogance for many years because you were one of the only "reputable" vendors available, but now that there is a nice competitive market for DSMers out there it's nice to finally express my opinions about your operation. Have a nice day.

If you ask me the GT seems to be a great deal when it comes down to it. You get the 34mm flapper, ported and all the other goodies that you would normally have to pay extra for on the MHI EVO 3 16g. Obviously The turbo will last for a while if the turbo ran hard for
168hrs strait and was still in working order with no problems, sounds like ti will last to me.

This is just like the whole D2 coilover posts about how they suck because they adjust both compression & rebound together. TEIN's do the same exact thing but i have never heard anyone complain about them. Some people just like to bash on companies trying to offer good products for a good price jsut because they have never heard of them. If the world was filled with people like that you wouldn't have anything because no one would give anyone a chance. Remember everycompany started out as nothing and get a reputaton by offering good products, like the GT.

Another thing is this thread was only made to tell everyone the real deal about the GT, not so people could bi*** about how some people got the wrong turbo but paid for the "real" evo3. If that is the case take off the turbo from your car send it back to who ever you bought it from and make them give you the turbo you ordered. You paided for a product and by law you have to get the product that you wanted and paided for. If that don't take everything back and give you what you paided for then you can probably take legal actions against them under numerous different categories. Thats jsut my 2 cents on this whole subject.

TurboDSMer said:

Some people just like to bash on companies trying to offer good products for a good price jsut because they have never heard of them. If the world was filled with people like that you wouldn't have anything because no one would give anyone a chance. Remember everycompany started out as nothing and get a reputaton by offering good products, like the GT.

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I think you forgot what board you are on....DSM....we look for the cheapest way possible out of EVERYTHING when it comes to our cars. But, if we have to spend just a bit extra for quality some of us will. I would like to see how this GT Turbo withstands every day use from daily driven vehicles. Cold starts, warm days, cold days, actual elements of the outside with the everyday driver (who occasionaly lets on it) and not in some test room.

Steve,

PLEASE do not do business with us or attend the shootouts, you will be doing ME a favor.
I did notice the GT on the compressor cover, IF you would READ what I am typing instead of just running your big mouth you would see all this. I was told they would be offering us a new turbo that offered porting/big wastegate valves. This would then constitute a different turbo designation, what is so hard to believe about that? It would be different if I had a reputation of being a liar instead of an assh0le. Everyone knows I may be hard to deal with but I am honest and fair.

Sexy,

Same goes for you, please read what I am typing instead of just making comments.


Also, there has been more than beta testing done on these at this point. I have sold about 50 of these turbos, as I said, and they are running in "real world" situtuations. I haven't had one fail or had any complaints of it not performing well.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

david buschur said:

Sexy,

Same goes for you, please read what I am typing instead of just making comments.


Also, there has been more than beta testing done on these at this point. I have sold about 50 of these turbos, as I said, and they are running in "real world" situtuations. I haven't had one fail or had any complaints of it not performing well.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

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Dave, you are not reading what I am typing...I said that it sounds fair as long as you really do warranty the product as you previously stated.