I need some!


Im in the market for some Hid's! who here has some! Does anyone have any pics of them on your car? How much should I expect to pay for some?

Thanx for the link!

you do realize HID's the real ones can cost like 600 or more depending on how good u buy and if ur gonna spend the money u dont want to go cheap, so ur lookin at like 600 for a good set of just 2 bulbs. They are sweet i want them but thats alot of money for just bulbs

hey what about the halo projector lights are they like HID's ?

spooner_dee said:

you do realize HID's the real ones can cost like 600 or more depending on how good u buy and if ur gonna spend the money u dont want to go cheap, so ur lookin at like 600 for a good set of just 2 bulbs. They are sweet i want them but thats alot of money for just bulbs

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I've been debating on em my self for good while! some kats down here say the can get em for $250.00! Im not sure if they're the real deal or not! If they turn out to be the real hid's then I'll let ya know!

Jay123 said:

hey what about the halo projector lights are they like HID's ?

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Halo projectors dont come with HID's. they (that is if they come with bulbs) are just normal street lights like similar to stock or maybe a little bit better.

Also if they say they are gettin HID's for like 200 somtin dollars.... Youd prob be gettin like real cheap ass garbage ones that are no more better then super white bulbs. Any place ive seen that sell real ones, the cheapest i ever saw was 500. Just be careful and really check them out b4 you go and buy them, best of luck to you

spooner_dee said:

you do realize HID's the real ones can cost like 600 or more depending on how good u buy and if ur gonna spend the money u dont want to go cheap, so ur lookin at like 600 for a good set of just 2 bulbs. They are sweet i want them but thats alot of money for just bulbs

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Oh well, it's his money so who cares?

Not to mention HID retrofit kits are illegal nationwide, and in addition to that fact the kits are pretty much useless unless used with projector or refelector lamps that are specifically designed for HID capsules.

Stupid gets stupid. Some people just have more wallet than brains.

So u could get halo projector head lights and put HID's in them and it would be legal?

Jay123 said:

So u could get halo projector head lights and put HID's in them and it would be legal?

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Did the car come from the factory with HIDs? Answer that question and you'll have your answer.

Better yet, get a dictionary and look up "retrofit".

For your HID education needs, visit: http://hidforum.com/forum/

I have halo projectors on mine and i wanna do the HID's too...is it possible?...I know ppl here that just get them from other cars like Acura TL's and cars like that...maybe i'll try it

arent hid kits illegal now?

PL Eclipse 98 said:

I have halo projectors on mine and i wanna do the HID's too...is it possible?...I know ppl here that just get them from other cars like Acura TL's and cars like that...maybe i'll try it

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Yes it is possible. But you have to keep in mind that you are putting out HID light through a projector that was not designed for it.

lx2539 said:

I've been debating on em my self for good while! some kats down here say the can get em for $250.00! Im not sure if they're the real deal or not! If they turn out to be the real hid's then I'll let ya know!

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Your probably referring to kits like those sold on Ebay claiming to put out 8000K. True HID is somewhere around 5-6000K if Im not mistaken. Those cheap kits put out so much unecessary light and cause hot spots if not used with a projector to provide a nice cut off designed for the HID light. The best way is to complete a nice retrofit using Audi, BMW or even S2000 Projectors (or basically any projector with a sharp cut off designed to project HID lighting) My cousin had Phillips kit, box said 5000K on it. Looked amazing with some APC dual projectors on his 2g eclipse, but the output was way more than needed so it can be an easy way to blind others and get yourself a ticket.

we sell a true pug n play system. They come in 4k 6k and 8k. They come with a Hella ballast and igniter. I am ordering a 8000k next week. All and all I think we can do them for $500 shipped for the Hella, and $400 for the ballas with a seperate igniter. We have the 8k on one of our shop cars and we love them.

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BTW they are not just bulbs, plus our shop car and one of our employess has had them for about 2 years and never had a probem with the law regarding them

I have the 8000k True Xenon system in my car. The look great!

Jebus[tuning] said:

I have the 8000k True Xenon system in my car. The look great!

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Not quite there buddy... xenon bulbs are about 4.6K. I think Osram made a 5.1K bulb but I am not sure. There is no such bulb that is 8K.

The reason Audi, BMW, and so on have different colours is because of the projector housing. If you move the cutoff sheild you can create a similar effect. They all use the same bulb. Companies put a coating on the bulb to imitate the colours and claim that they are a higher Kelvin output. These coatings actually decrease the light output.

Only the HID kits that are just a bulb, ignitor, and balast are illegal to sell (as of the 18th). Technicly you can still buy the OEM parts, but in terms of the lighting laws it is illegal to install in your car (even if you use the CORRECT housing). Now, if you use the right parts correctly, I doubt you will have problems... and you won't blind poeple either!!

BTW, any halogen bulb that is listed as xenon and/or 8 billion K is fake, end of story. Same goes for a 8 billion K xenon bulb.

In order to use the xenon setup PROPERLY, you need a projector that is DESIGNED for a xenon bulb. What you can do is take a run of the mill projector headlight and swap in the projector for the xenon bulb.

http://www.hidkits.com/purchase_kit_price.htm
http://www.visioninet.com/hid-bulb.html


They sell Hella products... I doubt Hella is a cheap rip off... call me crazy

Omega said:

Not quite there buddy... xenon bulbs are about 4.6K. I think Osram made a 5.1K bulb but I am not sure. There is no such bulb that is 8K.

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Philips made a 6000k Ultinon.

To you newbies (not you Omega), the Kelvins rating shouldn't be looked at as indication of light output... but only hue (color). The proper unit for measuring light output is Lumens.

Only the HID kits that are just a bulb, ignitor, and balast are illegal to sell (as of the 18th). Technicly you can still buy the OEM parts, but in terms of the lighting laws it is illegal to install in your car (even if you use the CORRECT housing). Now, if you use the right parts correctly, I doubt you will have problems... and you won't blind poeple either!!

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All HID kits (bulbs + ballasts) are illegal to sell after 8/18/2003. Not 2004. There is a provision of the law added because of me and my past dealings with one of Catz's retailers, so I am fairly familiar with the NHTSA and DOT ruling.

There are two kinds of HID systems that are legal: 1) the ones installed by the manufacturer of your vehicle at the factory during the production of your vehicle. 2) the ones that include lamp housings such as Sylvania's Xenarc, and select models of Hella, Optilux and PIAA.

Let's say you have a pre-HID Audi A4 and you installed a set of European spec A4 HID headlights. Even though the HID units are original Audi equiptment on the newer production A4s, it's still illegal because it's a retrofit installation.

Since it didn't sink in before, "retrofit" means: "to provide (a jet, automobile, computer, or factory, for example) with parts, devices, or equipment not in existence or available at the time of original manufacture." The source is dictionary.com.

You may ask, "but a PIAA or Xenarc kit with lamp housings are retrofits and they're legal?" Yes, but since when has the government made sense?

BTW, any halogen bulb that is listed as xenon and/or 8 billion K is fake, end of story. Same goes for a 8 billion K xenon bulb.

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Damn straight. So are halogen bulbs claiming 100w or 80w output. Just read: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html

A holgen bulb produces light by heating a filment (coil) causing it to glow. An HID bulb (capsule is the correct term) produces light by passing electricity through a pocket of gas (Xenon in this case). Remember your high school physics and chemistry class, if you went to high school... if not, think florescent light. A holgen bulb containing trace amounts of Xenon gas is still a holgen bulb. Anyone selling these things and calling them HIDs are morons and don't even know what they are selling. Bulbs with Xenon gas will produce more light? Think again. I've done my own comparison test. It's a load of crap. You are wasting money by buying bulbs that are anything more than the standard wattage rating.

Enough of how about this or that. You lazy bums, you know who you are, need to do your own work and research the topic.

Read www.hidforum.com and http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/tech.html

In order to use the xenon setup PROPERLY, you need a projector that is DESIGNED for a xenon bulb. What you can do is take a run of the mill projector headlight and swap in the projector for the xenon bulb.

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Exactly what I said before. The above are the facts and there are no exceptions. You can ask the same questions over and over again hoping to see what you want to see, but it will not happen. The facts remain the same. All retrofits are illegal (they were never legal to begin with). Any kit claiming over 6000k are fake and are only decriptors in regards to the light's color, not output strength. Any blue hued light will scatter because of the physical properties of light in that color spectrum. This means less light is bouncing back to your retina, meaning you actually see less despite the brightness of the light source (blind others, you see less... all for a price of $500. What a deal. Not.)

If you're going to ignore the law (do so at your own risk), the only HID componets you should consider are the ones made by Hella or Philips (Hella units are supplied by Philips). Second choice would be Catz... if you can find it... which is an OEM supplier to Honda Japan.

Someone please make this into a sticky.

we still like our cars... retrofit or not. Yes they are illegal, no we have never even been warned. And here is WA they crack down of stuff like that. I am still getting a set for my car.

HIDkits.com....what a load of crap. They just modify the base to fit other applications. They might use Hella ballasts, but that is it. That whole "bi-xenon" idea?! HA! What did I just say about the reflector.. you can't use a xenon bulb in a halogen designed housing. You sure as shit don't want to move the bulb. A bixenon housing moves the cut off sheild down... they don't move the bulb completely destroying the reflection angles of the light.

I bet that the following xenon bulb is one of their claimed 8000K If you look at the back side it is coated. Coated = fake colour.



On to the vision one. Looks like they sell Hella ballasts.. good. That knock off above it, dunno, wouldn't trust it.

As far as those bulbs go. It's amazing what 1 pic and a few different colour filters can do.

Look, I understand what these companies try to create, but if you actually look into these items you will understand what crap these places sell.

Let me clear some things up.



That is a xenon bulb. If it has little coils in it... not a xenon. Notice the crystal clear glass.




If you want nice looking lights that illuminate the road properly , that is what you want. If the kit you are looking at doesn't have any of those parts, put it down.

If you want a tint of purple, blue, white whatever, buy the projector housing from the model car you like. Faking it with a tinted bulb isn't the way.


If you want the look of this stuff, that is fine. To pawn these imitation parts off as true is wrong.

listen to paulPDX and Omega.

Everything they have said and prob would say, ill concur with.


HIDforum.com is an awesome place. but if your lookin for the short of it, then just listen to these guys.

im hoping that once i get set up, i might sell retrofited halo headlights That will be HID retrofitted with OEM projectors and ballasts. but the problem.

Cost. people like cheap so dont take their time to do it right and then they do crap and hence why they are illegal to do.

Thanks PaulPDX & FiReBReTHa for the nod of approval. Unfortunitely I think our words fall on deaf ears.

FiReBReTHa, I thought about the same sales. I have seen a few complete (and correct) conversions for a Honda on Ebay at one point. They were going for around $600 I think. Unfortunitely unless you can get the HID equipment for a good price, once you add your labor, selling them for a profit becomes a problem.

Keep me informed with it though. If I get backed up with other projects I might just have to buy a set from ya!

so any thing short of hid would actually decrease visibility in front of the car over stock? ................Sorry, I want to do the right thing here, but some times I am not the sharpest tool in the shed