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3/12 BRR-SCCA Race #2

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ldstang50

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Mar 6, 2004
Quantico, Virginia
I had another BRR SCCA event today. After yesterdays meet and hangout I was a little tired.
I woke up at 630am giving myself about another hours worth of sleep.
I'm accompanied by Babyface and Dan(burg) down to the auto-x.
We head out at exactly 730am. We cruise over on 66 then head down 88, we stop off at Sheets and grab some good ole grubby breakfast there. After we munch there we continue on our way. We arrive in Verona at about 950. I immediately get to work of changing my wheels and tires out. As they are finishing up chaning those out, I check in and then go walk the course.
The start is set up great for people that can launch, i.e. me. There are also 2 straights. These straights look long enough to wear I might have to grab 3rd gear. After the 2 straights there is a set of esse turns then 3 180 degree turns.
I'm again in SM class. I walk back over to the car and the Corvair owner from 2 weeks ago walks over and says, "...and you said last week was your only event." I laugh and apologize for 'lying' to him but assure him this just kinda fell into place. We talk for a bit and he notifies me that because of how bad I beat him last week, he went out and bought new tires. Hoosier R comps 255/45/16 rear and 235/40/16 front. Him and his buddy will be driving it today.
Also present: the black 06 Z06 on R comps (this course really favors him) Lynn in his 03 ZO6 on R comps, a pully prepped Neon running 3degrees of negative front camber and a host of old school Civics.
My run group is 2nd up. I do my best to pay attention to the first cars that are out running trying to pick out the fast guys and watch their lines. I really wish I wasn't running so early.
When my group is called up, I'm the last one to line up. I'm immediately moved towards the front, why I have no idea.
The FTD at this point is a 50.4 posted by one of the Civics. I know I can easily beat that.
My first run, I run a sloppy 49.9 pushing too hard. I blow the 2nd 180degree turn. I know I have FTD at this point, now its time to improve.
One of the other competitors approaches me and wants a ride. Sure not a problem. I adjust my air pressures and head out.
On my 2nd run, I'm outta control. I'm all over the place, I blow the entrance to the hairpin after one of the straightaways, then blow my entrance to the esses. I run a horrible 50.3 and immediately apologize to him for my poor performance. I again adjust my air pressures to keep the car planted.
My third run I'm in more control, on the 2nd straightaway, I pull 2nd gear to 8600rpm where I bounce off my rev limiter. I enter the esses a little too hard and then again almost blow the entrance to the 2nd 180degree turn. I'm still able to pull off a 49.8. I have a LOT left in the car. I make adjustments again to my air pressures based on where I'm rolling to on my tires.
One thing to learnin auto-x, slower is faster. By me tryin to push too hard, I was going slower. So by 'slowing' down, I'd be smoother, thus faster.
I launch hard on my 4th run, breakin all 4 tires loose and going sideways through the first gate. My R compounds are struggling to hold on with on 20lbs out of my little 16g. I grab 2nd gear and stay in it for about .5 sec before I stab the brakes and load the front tires. I complete the first tight turn and nail it for the 1st straight. I make a beautiful entrance to the hairpin and down shift to first. The car is really planted and she pulls out great in 1st gear, I grab the shifter and go to yank it into 2nd and GRRRRRRRRRRRINDDDDDDDD. DOH!!!! I missed 2nd. The thought runs through my head to dump the run, but I press on. I quickly press the clutch back in and engage 2nd gear and rocket away. I finish the 2nd straight away, tap the brakes and make the swithbacks easily. I slow my approach to the esses and make a great line through them slithering through like a snake. I make the 1st 180 degree turn, and get in the throttle. My tires are grippin, but my suspension doesn't want to work. I axle hop through 1st but press on.
Instead of comin in hard to the 2nd 180degree turn, I get on the brakes sooner. I come in slower, but get back on the gas sooner and am able to swing the car out wide to set myself up for finishing the 2nd 180degree turn. I rocket out of it go to grab 2nd and GRRRRRRIIIIIINNNNNDDDD again!!!!!! SHIT!!! WTF!!!!!! I know I blew this run, but I make the 3rd 180degree turn and press on to the stop garage.
I roll through and approach the timing booth. People are clapping again, I IMPROVED to a 47.7.
So I blow to shifts but still run faster. How does that work? Easy. I went slower. I'm not saying by missin the shifts that helped, but twith , the problem areas I had...the hairpin, entering the esses and the 2nd 180degree turn, I slowed my approach...that simple.
But I DID screw up, I left the door open for the zo6's to step in and take it from me.
The Corvair in the meantime has posted a fast lap of 49.94, .2 off my best. Again I beat him, and again he is pissed at me.
The 2nd run group is when the prepped Neon and the 06 zo6 are up.
I'm busyin changin my tires cause I have to work the next run group.
I listen to 103.1 and hear the times. The neon and zo6 are able to post low 50sec to high 49sec times, but are both unable to beat me.
4th run group heads out and I got to my work station. I'm working with the Corvair driver, haaha.
The run group contains the older zo6's and a few other cars. On the red zo6s 4th and final run, you can see he is moving the car along great. He's hittin his marks and really gettin it. I'm sweatin at he crosses the line, 49.9xx. Not enough to get me but enough to grab 2nd overall from the Corvair.
The 5th run group runs in the rain but there werent' any cars in there for me to worry about.
At the end of the day, people are talkin about the run groups. The subject of SM class gets brought up. Turns out there are more SM cars this year than ever before. Not only that, but its the fastest and tightest SM field they've ever had. Then someone says, "But there is one problem....only one guy wins that class and on top of that, he's the fastest car here."
I got lucky today. I messed up pretty bad but was able to equalize what I screwed up. I had .4 left in the car unlike last week where I ran as fast as I could and couldn't get any faster.
The competition is steppin up now. I really have to be on my game to attempt to stay on top.
Times and points should be posted later tonight. I'll also look for some pics
Results
http://brr-scca.org/03122006.htm
 
how much to events cost for the scca? is it to late to join this season? I would like to start racing, I know I can go to my local track and drag, but I want something that involves turning too. any info appreciated.
 
tstkl said:
how much to events cost for the scca? is it to late to join this season? I would like to start racing, I know I can go to my local track and drag, but I want something that involves turning too. any info appreciated.
SCCA is the largest car club in america. They hold races everywhere every weekend.
Their website is www.scca.org. Go there and find the region you are in.
I became a member again last week after a 5yr hiatus.
Costs for different events vary. In my region, if you preregister and a memeber of SCCA its $20 and $22 if you dont' preregister. If you are not a member but preregister its $25 and if you don't preregister its $27.
 
I did so terrible. 12 year old tires suck, and yet somehow im in your class just because of my upgraded turbo. That hairpin killed me with it being way too slow for 2nd, and then my car just wouldnt go into 1st.

Fun tho! And your car was definitely fast as shit. Oh and I found out my ex-girlfriends brother flipped his vette the day before at Verona at that autocross.
 
Nice run, can't wait to hit my first event on the 9th.
 
ldstang50 said:
SCCA is the largest car club in america. They hold races everywhere every weekend.
Their website is www.scca.org. Go there and find the region you are in.
I became a member again last week after a 5yr hiatus.
Costs for different events vary. In my region, if you preregister and a memeber of SCCA its $20 and $22 if you dont' preregister. If you are not a member but preregister its $25 and if you don't preregister its $27.
SOOOOOOOOO MUCH CHEAPER THAN NASA, thats what I wanted to hear...
 
tstkl said:
SOOOOOOOOO MUCH CHEAPER THAN NASA, thats what I wanted to hear...

Well that's not quite comparing apples to apples.

SCCA SOLO II - 5-6 stints on a small course marked by cones, 1 minute usually per stint, top speed generally in the 55-60 range

NASA HPDE - 5-6 stints per weekend on a full road course, 20-30 minutes per stint, top speed (well whatever your car is capable of on the front straight but usually in excess of 100mph)
 
mavisky said:
Well that's not quite comparing apples to apples.

SCCA SOLO II - 5-6 stints on a small course marked by cones, 1 minute usually per stint, top speed generally in the 55-60 range

NASA HPDE - 5-6 stints per weekend on a full road course, 20-30 minutes per stint, top speed (well whatever your car is capable of on the front straight but usually in excess of 100mph)
NASA gauranties you 80 mins of "on track" time in HPDE. Solo II is as explained above except I only get 3 maybe 4 runs because our region is so full. There's a big difference between the two. NASA does have an autocross program called "NASA-X" but it's not as big as SCCA's yet.
 
Great job again Liam, that's two in a row. Man, you must be feeling really good taking top time of the day in both events you've run.

As far as SCCA vs. NASA HPDE, it's not comparing apples to apples. SCCA and auto-x has a lot to offer at a real reasonable cost that you won't find anywhere else. The experience of learning car control is invaluable and the majority of top road racers started running in auto-x events. It's also a good group of people working together all for the sake of auto racing. I definitely would recommend doing some SCCA events and hone your skills behind the wheel.

To be at Liam’s level though, would take some real dedication and time behind the wheel...

Congratulations again on a job well done:thumb:

Greg
 
Greg Collier said:
As far as SCCA vs. NASA HPDE, it's not comparing apples to apples. SCCA and auto-x has a lot to offer at a real reasonable cost that you won't find anywhere else. The experience of learning car control is invaluable and the majority of top road racers started running in auto-x events.

Autocrossing, at least around here with SCCA, means postage-stamp parking lots, 75 cars, and four 30 second runs a day, mostly in 1st gear. So, you wait all day for a quick little run on cold tires and cold brakes.

I prefer Corvette Club autocrosses, where you can actually get into 3rd gear, approach 80 mph (that's the official speed limit), and run on tracks where you can FLY!

It's also fun to see all the rumpety-rumpety big block and Z06 Vette drivers get p*ssed because they got beat by a four cylinder car.

Rich
 
Wow rich that sucks. While we don't get into 3rd gear much most of our courses are in the 50 second range for the Street Mod guys, and mostly second gear.
 
Slow old poop said:
Autocrossing, at least around here with SCCA, means postage-stamp parking lots, 75 cars, and four 30 second runs a day, mostly in 1st gear. So, you wait all day for a quick little run on cold tires and cold brakes.

I prefer Corvette Club autocrosses, where you can actually get into 3rd gear, approach 80 mph (that's the official speed limit), and run on tracks where you can FLY!

It's also fun to see all the rumpety-rumpety big block and Z06 Vette drivers get p*ssed because they got beat by a four cylinder car.

Rich

It all depends on whats in your region. The BRR region is pretty lucky cause we have some big lots. The Wash. DC region has FED EX field which is HUGE. They are able to set up courses where the Evo's grab 4th gear and still run 60+seconds. Remember the gearing in the Evo is shorter than DSM's.

Greg Collier said:
Great job again Liam, that's two in a row. Man, you must be feeling really good taking top time of the day in both events you've run.

To be at Liam’s level though, would take some real dedication and time behind the wheel...

Congratulations again on a job well done:thumb:

Greg

Thanks Greg. I do feel really good about winning. But like everything, all good things must come to an end. My next event is 5hrs away. I'll be throwing up a tent at the lot the night before. Supposedly this next event has a really big lot where we can get some good speeds.
I'd be really happy to take home that one.
 
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