Clutch, pressure plate, or messed up tranny? HELP!

[afireinside5976]

Alright this morning I was driving around with snow on the roads and my tires were spinning, after that I heard a clunk and then the car just free reved. It wouldn't move anywhere so I had to back down a hill backwards. After I got it parked I was messing around and found I can put it in any gear without pushing the clutch down and the car running and it wont stall or move what so ever. The car doesn't make any weird noises and isnt smoking. Anyone have any idea what this might be? The car has been having clutch and throw out bearing problems lately so I'm hoping thats what it is. Oh and the shifter cables are still attached. I did check that.

Thanks,
Jamie

 

[1990clipse]

If you are shifting it into gear while the car is on and it does not move then you have a problem with your clutch disengaging.

 

[tbonitz301]

Sounds like you lost your clutch. Hey im like 30 min from you. You get around frostburg?

 

[spoonman]

The pressure plate is not engaging the clutch disk. I beieive your pressure plate is bad because the clutch fork would have to be fully depressed to shift the car when running.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

Since we're just quessing...


The "default" setup of a pressure plate is engaged. If you lost all hydraulics or broke the shift fork, cables, pedal or anything that allows the clutch to disengage you WILL have power while "in gear".

My bet would be the disc...you probably broke the center hub off screwing around as it would really take a hell of a lot of abuse to break the input shaft on the tranny.

And since you're not AWD I would not expect it to be diff related.

 

[spoonman]

you probably broke the center hub off screwing around as it would really take a hell of a lot of abuse to break the input shaft on the tranny.

That is possible but like you said very hard to do. How old is the clutch? If you take off the clutch inspection plate on the bottom of the bell housing and put your fingers in there (not running) and pull out a substance like black cat hair, the clutch disk was shaved by the slipping of the pressure plate slipping very fast and the disk is bad.

 

[slcorman91]

Sounds like a diff problem to me. How does the clutch pedal feel when you press it to the floor?

 

[afireinside5976]

slcorman91 the clutch pedal feels the same in the car as it always as, but it's been real sloppy since I got it 2 or 3 months ago. It's been slipping in 1st and 2nd and is very hard sometimes to pull out of places the way its setup.

tbonitz301 hopefully your right..im hoping for clutch or pressure plate..i really hope it's not the diff. Anyway yes, i do get around frostburg, but haven't been up there lately.

Anyway guys thanks for the advice. The clutch was replaced in this car a year or two ago, but the boy that replaced it, and drove it was very hard on this car..always doing burnouts and what not and I think it was a cheap ebay kit. thanks for the help.

 

[tbonitz301]

Id bet that you broke the center of the clutch disc. I personally would replace the pressure plate and disc along with the throwout bearing. When do you cruise in keyser?

Edit: Also the guy that had it before probably didnt break the clutch properly.When you replace the clutch be sure to inspect the flywheel for glazing or hot spots

 

[afireinside5976]

Yeah if it's one of the 3 that's what I'm going to do is replace all of them at the same time. Well I'm pretty much always crusing around Keyser. I got no job at the moment so I'm always around somewhere. When ever it gets a little warmer out I'm one of the dumbass' in Keyser that sits there at the Dollar Tree all the time hanging out.

 

[tbonitz301]

You have a PM

 

[afireinside5976]

So I'm leaning towards a messed up clutch or pressure plate here, hopefully. Few more things while my dad was pulling me home today I noticed while in gear with him pulling me it acts like it's in neutral. Would that be normal for a bad clutch or whatever? Also two nights ago I was messing around with some stuff on my car. I was checking the car to see if the slave was leaking because the master is. So I was fooling around with the slave bumping it and pushing it in manualy at the transmission. After that I went to go leave and the clutch pedal went straight to the floor. I bled it about 4 times and it was fine, came back. Why did I loose my clutch pedal just by doing that and do you think that might be related?

 

[bboyalan]

it wouldn't hurt to try and replace the master and slave cylinders first if the clutch HAS been replaced not too long ago [assuming your tranny is in fair condition]. i know it's not the most fun job in the world, but hey... it can save you some money + time if it ends up being the culprit.

 

[slcorman91]

You could have pushed the fluid back into the reservoir causing a air pocket in the line. I would definately start with replacing the clutch and pressure plate, and then go from there. Probably wouldn't hurt to replace the hydraulics also. Good luck. Hopefully it is not your diff.

 

[afireinside5976]

Well I'll be pulling it apart tomorrow so I guess I'll find out. Anyway are there any symptoms that anyone knows of for a bad diff.? And can you check for a bad diff. without pulling the tranny out?

 

[tbonitz301]

It's your clutch disc im 100% sure. If it was your hydraulic system the clutch would not disengage. Plan on installing a new clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing. Since you say that you have a six bolt i would just use the metal throwout bearing. Since you dont have to worry about crankwalk.Although the oem throwout will be a little easier on things.If you had a bad diff you would most likely already know. Being fwd with street tires. I doubt you could get the traction needed to break a diff.Unless you were spinning and then hooked on a dry patch of road

 

[afireinside5976]

Got the car all torn down friday night. Turns out the clutch disc broke into two pieces. The guy I bought it off of told me it was a stage 2 clutch replaced last summer, turns out it was the the stock clutch from the 6 bolt he got from the junk yard. I think possibly the reason for it breaking is because I don't think the transmission was lined up properly due to not having any dial pins in the block because the clutch disc itself still looked ok, I'm unsure though.

Got it all put back together today and just finished it up about a hour ago with a oem throw out bearing, new oem replacement clutch and pressure plate from Advance and a resurfaced flywheel. I'm having some problems though, I've bled this thing about 30 times now. I've bled it by pumping it several times, holding the clutch pedal down, cracking the bleeder, sealing the bleeds, and letting the clutch pedal up. Not really any luck. Second way I tryed was cracking the bleeder pushing clutch down, closing bleeder, and lifting pedal up...still really no luck and yeah i did have a vacuum line attached to the bleeder going to a cup with brake fluid in it. The clutch pedal is ok I guess but slightly spongy and I have to push kind of hard when the pedal gets close to the floor to shift gears, if not it grinds. Anyone have any ideas here? Thanks again!

 

[1990whitetsiawd]

Do you have a SS clutch line?

 

[afireinside5976]

No and I'm low on money or I would order one. Replaced master and slave and it's still doing the same thing. Only unhooked one clutch line when doing this and it's tight and not leaking. The clutch was replaced before and he didn't have to have the ss clutch line to get it bled properly, felt fine before.