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Failed Emissions Test because of 'visible smoke' -- need help!

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91Bomb

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Jul 15, 2003
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POS!!! Faiied for 'visible smoke' coming out the tailpipe WTF

Car burns some oil and produces smoke out the tailpipe when idling at red lights and a puff of it is emmitted when I take off but then clears out immediately. But the mechanic let the car idle for awhile and the smoke built up and didn't clear out since the test was done with wheels on rollers in 3rd gear at 2200 rpm so it didn't clear out like it normally does when driving down the road. Does Anyone know what this is indicative of? It burns about a quart every 300-500 mi. (10/40 dino)

AND when oil level drops 1/2- 1 qt low on dipstick it basically stops smoking altogether.

Cold compression test is 190's on 3 cyl and 1 cyl 182 psi -- '92 2.0 N/T.

I'm thinking if I put 20/50 in and at 1 qt low it shouldn't smoke 'visibly' based on what I mentioned above.

What should I add to gas tank to help with emmissions for when I go back? Emissions test was aborted because of the 'visible smoke' issue.


On a side note, I'm really pissed at the guy because I told him once the oil level drops that 1/2 - 1 qt below proper level it doesn't smoke and he says he never heard of such a thing WTF I already know this is the case with this car so I asked him to take a qt out and see but he refused so I'll have to do it myself and go back. He says it HAS TO BE bad rings and that a compression test is only good for checking valves :confused: AND that there's no way a compression test or cylinder leak down test can indicate if rings are the problem and the only way to tell if anyhing in the bottom half of engine (rings) is bad is by listening to engine and by looking at tailpipe for smoke :confused: He says I must need a ring job if my compression #'s are good and was adamant that a compresion test is only good for checking valves!?! This guy is full of MANURE right :confused:
AND he never heard of a car smoking at idle an then clearing out once the car takes off. I've seen this with other cars out there in addition to my own WTF

(LOL! I'd run this pos N/T 150,000 mi crapbox into a tree before replacing rings on it)


Anyhow, he did start the emmissions test and I watched the machine and it looked like everything was in the green but he aborted the test because of that 'visible smoke' which was not that bad at all IMO. ROFL $75 and a fail sticker sucks a$$ ROFL and I'm pissed but when I go back I don't pay anything so hopefully with that heavy weight oil and a ?gas additive? emmissions will be fine and 'visible smoke' will be not a problem.

BTW, I would've dropped the oil level before going to inspection today but I idled the car in my driveway and loked at tailpipe and no problems. Like I said it builds up smoke after idling for awhile but clears right out once the rpms get up there in 1st gear. Bad valve seal(s)??
 
Sounds to me like it is the valve seals.

If you have a compression tester, do it yourself and get a base-line figure. Then add oil to each cylinder and see if it goes up. If it does, its the rings. If not, then its the valve seals.

If you can install/take out the head and related components, its a pretty cheap fix for valve seals. I've changed them out in a little over an hour for all 16, and paid like $30 for all the seals.

Sounds like the guy you are talking to has some problems.
 
blackGSX2g said:
Sounds to me like it is the valve seals.

If you have a compression tester, do it yourself and get a base-line figure. Then add oil to each cylinder and see if it goes up. If it does, its the rings. If not, then its the valve seals.
And don't forget about the pcv valve.
 
blackGSX2g said:
Sounds to me like it is the valve seals.

If you have a compression tester, do it yourself and get a base-line figure. Then add oil to each cylinder and see if it goes up. If it does, its the rings. If not, then its the valve seals.

If you can install/take out the head and related components, its a pretty cheap fix for valve seals. I've changed them out in a little over an hour for all 16, and paid like $30 for all the seals.

Sounds like the guy you are talking to has some problems.


Thanks. Those compression #'s are what I got when I tested it myself. . How much oil do you add and is it better to do a compression chk when engine is cold or warm?
 
blackGSX2g said:
Add maybe a cap-full of oil; just enough to help the rings seal if they are too worn.

:confused: How do I know if the rings are worn BEFORE I compression test?
 
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