Timing belt is done,..but F@Ck!.. help!

[FlipDsM]

o.k. i followed very carefully all the instruction that haynes and Vfaq manual has to say. now, i just got everything back on, then when i try to start it, the car shakes like crazy . i opened the top belt cover and found out that the timing belt was slightly loose. what the F? i have a brand new auto tensioner and crank that center pulley bolt pretty good. i am also thinking that i might had the timing set incorrectly, but how? everytime i turn the crankshaft, the timing marks aligned every six damn turns. . i'm thinking about taking the car to SATAN tommorow and get it over with, but i'm hoping to have someone here to help me out and explain whats going on.

can this problem be cause by overtight serpentine belt tension? man, i have no clue....

 

[92awddsm]

You have you balance shafts out of time. Pull it back down and retime th bs belt.

 

[FlipDsM]

You have you balance shafts out of time. Pull it back down and retime th bs belt.

eventhough if i didn't touch the BS belt? anyhow, the timing on the BS belt aligned with all the timing marks after six revolution(i dont know now). but, i'll check on that though man... i'll give it another try later,.. if not, i'm blowing $400 tommorow.


thanks...

 

[92awddsm]

The smaller sprocket on the lower right side that the tb goes around is also a bs. It is the oil pump sprocket and it also bs runnin off of it. Sounds like you didnt line it up properly. If you just lined up the mark on it and didnt time it per instructions on vfaq.com it is probably off 180*

 

[FlipDsM]

The smaller sprocket on the lower right side that the tb goes around is also a bs. It is the oil pump sprocket and it also bs runnin off of it. Sounds like you didnt line it up properly. If you just lined up the mark on it and didnt time it per instructions on vfaq.com it is probably off 180*

i'll look on that as well when i take everything off again. but, i think i did timed it though... i stuck a crew driver to the engine block hole and it went in more than 2 inches, and i turned the sprcket counterclockwise/clockwise and it turned it self back almost right at the mark.... but i'll def. look this part over again.
it seems like though, that there wasn't any valve damage because i'm not hearing any knock of metal to metal sound, which what i'm more concerned about. i really hope that this issue is more of a timing problem and nothing else. thanks 92awddsm

oh, i forgot to mention earlier. when i start the car, it seems like it's dying, but if i waited couple seconds holding the ignition, thats when the car would start.... is this something i should be concerned about?

 

[92awddsm]

This is just a shot in the dark but you didnt happen to knock a plug wire loose from the coilpack did you? Not trying to insult you at all cause Ive done the same thing. Check and make sure they are all on tight.

 

[FlipDsM]

This is just a shot in the dark but you didnt happen to knock a plug wire loose from the coilpack did you? Not trying to insult you at all cause Ive done the same thing. Check and make sure they are all on tight.

i honestly thought of that part, becuase the shaking was similar when i replace my fuel pump long time ago, it happened when i full the ignition harness(forgot the exact term)
....so, i will defenitely consider this when i get back to my car....

 

[FlipDsM]

Just an update:

heres what else i did to my car:
-- i change the thermostat. can this be a reason? is there an specific position when i put the thermostat?
-- i replace my clutch master cylinder. i didnt think this would cause a problem.
-- i replace my coolant temp. sensor. i dont think this is either.
-- i didnt full the ingitin coil pack when i set the engine to TDC. is this an issue? could this be a reason why my car is not starting? coz now, it seems like the car would turn over but wouldn't go all the way and i can smell gas when i try to start it.
-- my car sat for 2 months. can this be a factor?

thanks...

 

[FlipDsM]

another update:

well, i'm re-doing my timing belt as what this thread is saying. anyway, i'm going to to this with taking the spark plugs off and the ignition coil pack connection. so, as i took the PLUGS off, it is weird that the spark plug has some fuel(damp) in it and as i went down the look at the well,.. it smells like gasoline...so WTF? is this because of trying to start the car a few time? what did i do now/wrong now that the spark plug/well smells like gasoline?

sorry guys, this is very frustrating,.. i shouldn't have had done this job... , all i did was followed the manual.... i wonder if anyone came through this problem while doing this kind of job?

thanks

 

[SUPERSPYDER]

I have recently done a belt change. I found that you have to rotate the auto tensioner pulleys to set tension/ You can't just pry on it that will only move t the brackets arm and give you a false sense of tension. I took a nail cut the ends off and then cut it in half. I stuck one piece ineach of the holes of the pulley. I then took a short pry bar, wedge it in between them and rotated the pulley until it was slightly tight on the belt. This takes out for the movement of the arm. This usually requires a special tool to do. If it;s done wrong you belt could loosen or skip timing teeth.

 

[luv2rallye]

R U sure your getting spark in all cylinders? Pull plugs, hold them against metal (with wires on) and crank to see if they R really firing. With all the wet gas smell you say you have it sounds like no spark. Your engine will shake with even one plug not firing.

As for the timing belt adjustment, it must not be loose after any number of revs of the crank or you didn't adjust the tension pulley correctly. Use ONLY the http://www.vfaq.com/mods/timingbelt-2G.html method (never Haynes). I have done dozens and it is not as easy as many would have you think when this is your 1st. The nails in the tension pulley with pry bar (or long screwdriver) is a good idea (remember to rotate pulley the correct way).

When you compressed the tensioner to put the pin (allen wrench) in to hold it, I hope you compressed it VERY, VERY, VERY slowly (like 1/2 turn of clamp per minute to let it settle) or you will damage the seals in new one and it will leak and not work.

When adjusting belt tension, sometimes the drill bit method is hard to see or do (eg. can't see if drill bit is parallel to tensioner top which affects measurement). An alternative way is to make sure that auto tensioner pin (allen wrench) moves freely in the tensioner hole after you turn the crankshaft and wait for the belt to stretch. Adjust the tension pulley to do this and it will automatically make the distance between the tensioner arm and tensioner body (drill bit measurement) be correct (.15 - .18 in.).

 

[FlipDsM]

thanks for the input guys.... well i got everything pulled again and seems like that the tension was just a liitle off(maybe... .45 mm) , so i sure do need to make an adjustment on that part,.. the tensioner was good too. anyway, about the spark plug/well smelling like gas... i'm thinking that this has got nothing to do with the timing belt( is it?) , its probably because i had my car sitting for more that 2 months that maybe made my ignition, fuel system acting funny. according to some thread that i red, the symptoms of having too much gasoline in the cylinder is that i have the engine flooded ( again ?)... if this is infact the problem... i have no idea where to start looking for as where it all begun... ..... this really sucks..

thanks guys.... i'll appreciate more input..

 

[unior]

if the car is flooded - crank the motor over with the spark plugs all out - or let it sit for awhile with the plugs out - let the plugs dry and the extra gas evaporate from the cylinders

then replace the plugs and have at it again

 

[92awddsm]

Make sure you disconnect the fuel pupm while spinning it w/o plugs or it continually puor more fuel into the cylinders. I would start checking the coil pack. It is possible for it to take a crap while it was sitting.

 

[FlipDsM]

o.k. guys.. i just got everything put back together again, and this time i did make sure tensioner is in spec. i realize though that the starting problem wasn't related to the timing belt. so, something happened while my car was sitting for more than 2 months. i checked the wires, plugs, coil pack,.. and they all look pretty o.k. other than that i have fuel in my cylinder and plugs.. if my car dont start, i'll try what you guys(unior/awd92dsm) just said. once again... thanks a lot.. i'll keep you guys updated..

 

[FourG63 97GST]

did you do this by yourself?
curious, but how did you tighten the tensioner pulley?

I did mine last week and it was a bi*** w/o the tool

 

[leet]

did you do this by yourself?
curious, but how did you tighten the tensioner pulley?

I did mine last week and it was a bi*** w/o the tool

You compress the tensioner using a vise. Then stick a pin through it to hold it, until you are ready.

 

[FlipDsM]

YAAAAHHHOOOOO!!!! I LOVE YOU GUYS(no i'm not G@y, just excited).... ha ha ha,, the bi*** just went all the way after holding the ignition key for 10 seconds, ... my god, i thought i would never get this car done.. without w/your guy's help.?.. i'd probly set my car on fire the other day... :laugh: .., you guys rock,.. i dont know how to pay you guys back.. thanks you, thank you..



anyway, about the special tool..... i spent less than $20 bucks. a $12 long(very long) nose w/ 90 degree bent tip from autozone and $5 2 foot long rod (witch can be devided(cut) by 5 to become the tensioner arm tool) from ace hardware (FD guy help me on this).

 

[FlipDsM]

well, i test drove the car for about 15 minutes and everything was great, idle was surprisingly better. however, theres this HHHmmmming sound underneath the intake manifold that kinda annoy me. is this familiar to any of you guys here? thanks..

 

[unior]

wild stab - the ac compressor sits under there?

just an idea

 

[FlipDsM]

yes, so, what could went wrong then? i'm checking my a/c belt tension to see if thats the problem. thanks man..