act 2600 dead already

[kchaazz]

hey im really upset, i did nothing to this clutch, only launched twice after almost 300 miles of easy in traffic driving to break it in. raced twice after that, drove from grand junction colorado to powers, oregon, and about 400 miles into the trip, i had stopped to get gas and check fluids, took off to leave and bam, slipping clutch. really bad in first, second, not so bad in 3rd, and almost no slip at all in 5th. real sh!@ty if you ask me. hopefully its still under warranty. by the way how hard is it to pull the tranny with the motor still in? just curious cause im doing it tomorrow. anyone have a clue as to why it died? i did everything by the book- torque specs, flywheel stepped to .610, adjusted pedal perfectly- it was not preloaded. i just dont get it.

well, anyone?

 

[talon1979]

You do not have to pull the motor to change the clutch. I would try adjusting the clutch pedal so it grabs closer to the floor. You don't want to go too close because it is not good on your synchros. If your clutch was bad I think it would want to slip more in 4th than in 1st. I would also check to make sure an axle did not pop out. Can you smell clutch when it is slipping?

 

[talon1979]

I have another question for you. I could not get the 2600 to work on my car, the clutch would always be engaged. I did some research and it appeared that the 90 model has problems running the 2600lb clutch unless you shave a junk load off of the flywheel. Did you do anything special to get it to work?

 

[yo2001]

with ACT streetlite flywheel and ACT 2600 in my 90 talon, have not had any problem. zjust bolted them in with dab of locktite. Hard 3000miles on it now. I did adjust the master cylinder rod almost all the way out. Other than that, no problem with it.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

ok the break in period is 200-300 for act. most other have a 500 mile, I did 500 miles without any psi and 1000 before a launch(still havent launched). I have a 2100 and act xact and its great hold sall the power Im putting down....either your flywheel wasnt machined right and/or you launched it WAY too early. You should wait a long time before launching.
Andrew

ps you may need a new flywheel-250 shipped from prostreet, and a disc.

 

[kchaazz]

Originally posted by talon1979
I have another question for you. I could not get the 2600 to work on my car, the clutch would always be engaged. I did some research and it appeared that the 90 model has problems running the 2600lb clutch unless you shave a junk load off of the flywheel. Did you do anything special to get it to work?

well, first, i found out that the clutch needs the flywheel to be stepped to .610, stock is .612. it only cost me like 23.00 to get that done at a shop. also, my clutch was staying enganged too but i adjusted a bolt to the pedal to take out the slack.

 

[spendone]

I had to gring down my pressure plate when I did my clutch. the plate was rubbing against my bearing fork which eventually snapped it.

 

[crankbender]

Originally posted by spendone
I had to gring down my pressure plate when I did my clutch. the plate was rubbing against my bearing fork which eventually snapped it.

Whoa dude way too many washers under that ball.

As for the 90 with a 2600. The trick is having no bad seals, a proper bleed, and the rod adjusted correctly. Nothing tricky just these are 15 year old cars now and the seals tend to be bad.

 

[kchaazz]

Originally posted by kchaazz
hey im really upset, i did nothing to this clutch, only launched twice after almost 300 miles of easy in traffic driving to break it in. raced twice after that, drove from grand junction colorado to powers, oregon, and about 400 miles into the trip, i had stopped to get gas and check fluids, took off to leave and bam, slipping clutch. really bad in first, second, not so bad in 3rd, and almost no slip at all in 5th. real sh!@ty if you ask me. hopefully its still under warranty. by the way how hard is it to pull the tranny with the motor still in? just curious cause im doing it tomorrow. anyone have a clue as to why it died? i did everything by the book- torque specs, flywheel stepped to .610, adjusted pedal perfectly- it was not preloaded. i just dont get it.

well, anyone?

well, i was pulling my tranny, driveline off, passenger axle out, all tranny bolts off, and whoa, the transfer case doesnt want to come off. so damn, i pulled and pulled and then it started to come off but it was taking the little shaft that goes from the tranny to the t case with it!! the tranfer still wont come off the shaft and the shaft comes out about 6 inches!! what to do? cant get the tranny out either. now i think i should have just pulled the motor instead cause there just doesnt seem to be enough room for that awd tranny to come out. by the way, since that shaft comes out and is obviously a problem, could that be the reason my car acts like the clutch is slipping? i mean, i had a friend once who tried driving his tsi awd car with the driveline off and it wouldnt even move. well, i guess i have to pull my motor, pull the tranny off that, then take the stupid thing to a shop.

 

[crankbender]

Originally posted by kchaazz
well, i was pulling my tranny, driveline off, passenger axle out, all tranny bolts off, and whoa, the transfer case doesnt want to come off. so damn, i pulled and pulled and then it started to come off but it was taking the little shaft that goes from the tranny to the t case with it!! the tranfer still wont come off the shaft and the shaft comes out about 6 inches!! what to do? cant get the tranny out either. now i think i should have just pulled the motor instead cause there just doesnt seem to be enough room for that awd tranny to come out. by the way, since that shaft comes out and is obviously a problem, could that be the reason my car acts like the clutch is slipping? i mean, i had a friend once who tried driving his tsi awd car with the driveline off and it wouldnt even move. well, i guess i have to pull my motor, pull the tranny off that, then take the stupid thing to a shop.

Not sure what you are saying here but I will try.

The transfer case is stuck where? to the transaxel like you left a bolt in. To the transaxel output shaft like you forgot to fill the transfercase when you did the clutch swap and it is melted (or working on it YES this would show the signs of a slipping clutch if it happened just thank GOD you wern't on the highway)? Is the driveshaft stuck in the xfer case? did you get a buch of fluid out of the xfer case?

What do you mean stuck....

Yes if the xfer case is locking up it can make the clutch slip. Also if you did start getting it to turn would explain why you had less slippage as you got going...

Also when you parked the car it is possible it locked up more and melted (forge welded) to the output shaft.

 

[kchaazz]

Originally posted by crankbender
Not sure what you are saying here but I will try.

The transfer case is stuck where? to the transaxel like you left a bolt in. To the transaxel output shaft like you forgot to fill the transfercase when you did the clutch swap and it is melted (or working on it YES this would show the signs of a slipping clutch if it happened just thank GOD you wern't on the highway)? Is the driveshaft stuck in the xfer case? did you get a buch of fluid out of the xfer case?

What do you mean stuck....

Yes if the xfer case is locking up it can make the clutch slip. Also if you did start getting it to turn would explain why you had less slippage as you got going...

Also when you parked the car it is possible it locked up more and melted (forge welded) to the output shaft.

well, what i ment is that the t case wont come off the output shaft and the output shaft is comming out of the tranny about 6 inches and i cant get the t case off the shaft. when that output shaft pulled out, all my 90 wt gear oil spilled out of my tranny. if you read my first thread about my clutch, i said it was all fine until my trip from colorado to oregon, i stopped for gas and when i took off, it acted liike the clutch was slipping, the rpms went up before my speed but in the later gears, it didnt slip at all, mainly 5th gear. but if it was my slipping clutch, it would slip in the later gears more, would it not? thanks for the reply, charles

 

[crankbender]

Originally posted by kchaazz
well, what i ment is that the t case wont come off the output shaft and the output shaft is comming out of the tranny about 6 inches and i cant get the t case off the shaft. when that output shaft pulled out, all my 90 wt gear oil spilled out of my tranny. if you read my first thread about my clutch, i said it was all fine until my trip from colorado to oregon, i stopped for gas and when i took off, it acted liike the clutch was slipping, the rpms went up before my speed but in the later gears, it didnt slip at all, mainly 5th gear. but if it was my slipping clutch, it would slip in the later gears more, would it not? thanks for the reply, charles

#1 if the RPMs go up and the speed doesn't It has to be the clutch (unless you shear grenade parts of the tranny or such but you would know that)
#2 I understand that hte oil dropped out of the tranny but did you drain the Xfer case? If you did how much fluid came out?
#3 It really looks like you locked the transfer case. When you put the car back together did you refil the Xfer case?
#4 your Xfer case may have a leak that is covered under the recall...you may be able to get a new one for free so don't freak just yet.
#5 It really looks like your Xfer case is ceased....these symptoms can happen when it is not lubricated correctly.
#6 HTH did you pull the output shaft from the tranny....I am not sure about this but you will probably have to pull the tranny and rebuild it now. (once again we will advise you on how to hit the dealer up).

I really need to know abou the fluid in the Xfer case...it does not share fluid with the tranny.

 

[crankbender]

Ok with the info from your Pms it doesn't sound like you ceased your T-case. You do need to drop that thing tho. Are you sure the output shaft is pulling out of the tranny? It shouldn't. You may have to drop the whole assembly and break the tranny open then reassemble it. Can't remember how that shaft goes in there for sure...hopefully you can just shove it back in.

So the main problem at this point is figuring how to get the output shaft out the the transfer case. right?

Well make sure you don't mar up the splines. You can lock the crank on the engine and let the clutch out (if it will grab) and try wiggling it.

Can you drop the whole thing as 1 piece? hmmm never had a T-case stick to the output shaft myself.

Anybody else have any ideas?

 

[kchaazz]

Originally posted by crankbender
Ok with the info from your Pms it doesn't sound like you ceased your T-case. You do need to drop that thing tho. Are you sure the output shaft is pulling out of the tranny? It shouldn't. You may have to drop the whole assembly and break the tranny open then reassemble it. Can't remember how that shaft goes in there for sure...hopefully you can just shove it back in.

So the main problem at this point is figuring how to get the output shaft out the the transfer case. right?

Well make sure you don't mar up the splines. You can lock the crank on the engine and let the clutch out (if it will grab) and try wiggling it.

Can you drop the whole thing as 1 piece? hmmm never had a T-case stick to the output shaft myself.

Anybody else have any ideas?

well, ive got the tranny separated from the motor, and im almost certain that the imput shaft is out of the flywheel and its almost off the intermediate shaft as well and the tranny wiggles from left to right easily, its just that the passenger side of the tranny is hitting the frame of the car, like i just cant pull it toward the passenger side enough for it to drop, does that make sense to you guys? well, its just a bit@# to me and im thinking itll be easier to pull the whole motorvat this piont but if you think i can get it off w\out doing that ill try it. oh, and yeah, that shaft is comming out of the tranny w\ the t case- way out!! sucks cause the out put shaft pulled its seal out with itself and spilled a full load of gear oil with it. plz help if you can, i really appreciate it. charles

 

[crankbender]

you can deffinately drop the tranny without taking out the engine...done it a few times.

If i remember you have to rotate it a certain way to get it out. I would have to look at it again. Doesn't make sense that you are hitting the frame before it falls off...try rotating to get it furthre off the flywhee.

 

[candela]

Let me just ask one thing to make sure...

Were you giving it full throttle in 3rd, 4th and 5th and it wasn't slipping at all? Is EVERYTHING (regardless of it was good before you filled up your gas... hopefully it was premium ) and I mean EVERYTHING regarding the clutch in good workign order? If it is then its got to be your clutch. You will eventually figure out how to get your tranny off... even if you have to dropa mtoormount and lower it a little, I have done it numerous times as well and it can be done. When you do let us know if there is any gear oil in teh bell housing or on the clutch at all. Did you check to make sure that your clutch was fully engauging upon release of the pedal?

 

[kchaazz]

Originally posted by candela
Let me just ask one thing to make sure...

Were you giving it full throttle in 3rd, 4th and 5th and it wasn't slipping at all? Is EVERYTHING (regardless of it was good before you filled up your gas... hopefully it was premium ) and I mean EVERYTHING regarding the clutch in good workign order? If it is then its got to be your clutch. You will eventually figure out how to get your tranny off... even if you have to dropa mtoormount and lower it a little, I have done it numerous times as well and it can be done. When you do let us know if there is any gear oil in teh bell housing or on the clutch at all. Did you check to make sure that your clutch was fully engauging upon release of the pedal?

(well, yeah, it was premium ) yeah, full thrott, full boost, it slips some in 3rd, but noticeably less and in 5th i cant even tell. oh and it was definetly engaging all the way, i adjusted the master cyl perfectly with just a tick of slack in the top of the pedal and a new tob fully lubed to specs, f wheel machined to .610, all torque specs perfect. yeah, ill find out if theres gear oil on the clutch. it makes sense that the trans needs to be rotated some to drop, but i cant get my stupid t case off. oh and one question, i cant get the trans off the intermediate shaft all the way either- you know, where it goes into the trans? its almost all the way off though. well, thanks for your help ,guys, i really appreciate it.

charles

 

[kchaazz]

well alrighty everyone, i dropped my tranny this morning. the results are as follows, there is nothing wrong with that clutch there is hardly any wear on it at all. the tcase however, well, i still cant get that output shaft out of it, but the shaft did pull all the way out of the tranny though its still stuck in the t case. i guess the good news about the shaft itself is that nothing broke, just the end inside the tranny popped off some little ring retainer thingy, allowing it to come out. now, i opened the t case and what do ya know, all the fluid had leaked out and the two gears inside are worn to the point of being smooth and therefore arent putting power to my driveline. so, i called the nearest chrystler and they immediately wanted my vin AND MILEAGE AND ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE RELUCTANT ABOUT IT, but im gonna do my best to get the recall done. how do i get the stupid shaft out of the t case though? anyone have any ideas? well please reply soon, i need help. thanks, charles.

 

[candela]

Yes i would really try to shot hard to get the recall done.... cause in the process they will prolly replace the output shaft for you. Lots of times after use and hard launches...etc the output shafts splines (22 on your 90) will sort of mate with the x case side, twisting, binding and completely breaking also happen sometimes, This load could be part of the reason that your clutch felt like it was slipping. If the dealer does not do the recall for you I would try going to mitsu to see if they will... try everything you can, cause doing it yourself will most likely require a rebuild or new (used somewhere) x-case. Though not that hard to find the price is usually up there. Let me know if you have any more questions, good luck with the dealer...

 

[crankbender]

just tell them they are lucky as hell it didn't lock while you were driving down the highway!!! Heat can make metal mating pairs do really weird crap.

I told you to check the xfer fluid level... be glad that it is just a xfer case problem and not you sliding off the highway at 70.

Glad to see it isn't too bad!!! be carefull getting the new shaft into the tranny...It needs to be broken open and the clip taken out if it fell off in the tranny it will cause serious problems when it gets sucked into a gear one day and locks the tranny.