need new engine?

[Misterio]

I want to buy a 1996 Talon Eale ESi (non-turbo) for $700. They say that the guy ran it without oil and the engine "stopped up" does this mean that i have to find a whole new engine for it?

should i buy this car and fix it?

 

[SpeedFreak03]

Yes the engine will need to be replaced, maybe you can salvage the head. I would look for a TSi with a blown motor, and swap in a 6-bolt, it would be one hell of a car! If you look around im sure you can find a 2G turbo FWD or even AWD with a blown or crankwalked motor for cheap. But if you don't want a turbo car, then try to talk him down to $500 I guess. The only thing is though, if he was careless enough to run the engine down to no oil, then imagine how the rest of the car was maintained (although your replacing the engine anyway thats where most maintence takes place).

 

[Misterio]

Whats the difference between a TSi and an ESi?
What do you mean by swapping it in for a 6 bolt?
when u say 2g do you mean a year 2000?
im sorry im so ignorant but i got to start somewhere i guess i would have to get my uncle (mechanic) to do the install for me.
Well the car is fine, It doesn't look bad and i think their was an oil leak and he just ran it and it "locked up". Any suggestion on where to get an engine? Maybe on the internet or would it be easiest to find one at a junkyard? Please tell me what to look for at a junkyard as well... such as a TSi engine or a ESi engine and what to ask for
~any prices?


thanks

 

[superflyjmysnk]

Esi- 420A chrysler engine w/ 140 Hp
Tsi- 4g63t mitsu engine with 210 Hp

There are a few other differences between the two but i can't remember off the top of my head, probaly just power windows and the like.

A "2g" is a 2nd generation eclipse or talon(1995-1999) models.

If you buy the car you can find a used 420A out of a old talon, eclipse, or avenger and have it installed. To put in a 4g63t however will cost some serious bank as the motors mount differently and you will need lots of parts and have to modify some things to make it fit. Hope this helps

 

[1gfromND]

I think it would be best if you just found a TSi and ran it instead of all this other crap. my $.02

 

[Misterio]

Im not looking for speed.. im not going to race it really i just want to make it look nice but before i do i have to get it to where it will start (before i decide to buy it) plus imagine the insurance for a teen on a TSi... im not rich .

a friend told me that i could buy this liquid at an autoparts store that i could take off the spark plugs and pour down in there and let it sit there for a day and then i could manually move the pistons with some bolt and it could loosen up again. has anybody else heard of this? could this be the only problem with the car? i hope so!

 

[SpeedFreak03]

OK here we go I'll do my best to answer your questions

-A TSi is the turbo version of the ESi.

-A "6-bolt" is really a 4G63T engine found on DSMs made from 1989-early 1992. It is not prone to crankwalk (as much as the 2G motors anyway) which is when the thrust bearings get messed up (something like that and the crank actually moves...the engine is toast after this. Also the 6-bolt motor is supposedly built better. They get the term 6-bolt because the 6-bolt motor has 6 bolts holding the flywheel to the motor, while the late 1992-1999 DSMs have 7-bolt motors (7 bolts on the flywheel). The bolts really don't have anything to do with reliabilty/performance/crankwalk, its just an easy way to identify an engine.

-2G stands for second generation, and 2G DSMs are from 1995-1999, 1G (first generation) DSMs are 1990-1994. If you look at a 1G and then a 2G it is very easy to tell the difference, they look really different. Any Eclipse made after 1999 isn't considered a DSM, I'll tell you why. DSM stands for Diamond Star Motors, which was a "group" (cant think of the right word) that was started by Mitsubishi (markets the Eclipse), Eagle (markets the Talon), and Chrysler (markets the Plymouth Laser). All these cars are exactly the same under the hood, with a few exterior and interior differences (for interior just basically emblems were different). DSM wasn't a car company, because cars made in DSM factories were still shipped to Chrysler, Eagle, and mitsubishi dealerships. 1994 was the last year for the Plymouth Laser. 1998 was the last year for the Eagle Talon, and 1999 was the last year for the DSM eclipse. Mitsubishi made their own design now, and that is what is known as the 3G (third generation) Eclipse. It isn't a DSM though, and doesn't compare to the 1G and 2G eclipse in any way.

For the engine question, it's up to you. Personally, I wouldn't buy it. Now you say you aren't interested in speed. I'm gonna be completely honest with you - a DSM isn't the car for you. If DSMs weren't fast, or I wasn't into speed, I would NEVER own one. This is because of reliability problems, they aren't the most reliable cars on the road. But they go really fast for cheap so I can sacrifice some reliability for that. But for someone who isn't into speed, it isn't worth sacrificing reliabilty - there's better cars. How about something like an older Toyota Celica? Not too bad on insurance, VERY reliable, and still looks good. Your call though! If you have any more questions or need any more opinions feel free to ask!

 

[Misterio]

So talons aren't really reliable? darn that sucks. the only reason i wanted it was b/c it was so cheap and it looked good, i don't think ive seen any cheap celica's but anyway i guess ill decide once ill save up the money cuz ive started saving for a car