Sucess stories with Meth / Water / Alch

[xxShaneOmac]

Anyone have some pre and post information having to do with injection?

What liquids did you run mix or straight?

What did they do / allow.

Im really thinking about injection to free up some timing but Im not sure if my money is better spent other places.

P.s Im a big newb in this area so please feel free give me any lessions

 

[CYCLONE]

I installed an AQUAMIST kit on my DSM a couple years ago. I think its worth the money. It let me run about 3-4 psi more on pump gas (did not really notice any gains on race gas). I ran washer solvent in it (50/50 mix meth/water).

I have installed kits from ebay on other people cars and I don't like the home made kits, I think they run lower pressures and the nozzles don't work that well. I will for sure install another aquamist kit on my next turbo/supercharged car.

 

[gixrman]

I run the SHURFLO DIY setup in a two stage form. When my car was running a E16g setup it allowed me to run more boost and a few degree's more timing. I used a 50/50 mix of denatured alcohol/ distilled water mix. Good for high boost/pump gas setups.

 

[AWD_Launch]

I'm a huge fan of meth especially if you want to run a car hard but don't feel like paying 6-10 per gallon. English Racing is not too far away and that guy knows his stuff with meth set-ups. My car went from 15-16PSI on pump conservative tune making 350AWHP to 31PSI agressive tune making 533AWHP with just meth. But it was a little too agressive for what I wanted so he added a little more fuel and took away just a little timing and got 520AWHP no knock.

 

[droppinbottom]

Shane just go with e85.

If you are dead set on a meth setup let me know as this weekend I will be taking mine off my car and switching things over to e85. I currently have a AEM kit and it is also setup with a hobb switch to dump boost incase of any errors.

 

[turboglenn]

Read this thread here, i started out to just test no FMIC and Meth alone for cooling but ended up testing a lot of 0other things as well. Some real good stories/results from many people here too

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/nit...7-official-no-fmic-meth-how-well-will-do.html

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Shane just go with e85.

If you are dead set on a meth setup let me know as this weekend I will be taking mine off my car and switching things over to e85. I currently have a AEM kit and it is also setup with a hobb switch to dump boost incase of any errors.

I was going to go e85

Such an easy mod and I have decent sized injectors for what Im looking for.

But I dont know where to find it up here in washington, Only place I have found it was 150 miles from me so Im not one to drive to some base at the south end of washington to pick it up.

Anyone know of any places near seattle that sells e85

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Wow did another search and e85 have poped up in the NW in the last few months.

Now its on to see what I need to do to start my beast on e85! woot!

 

[assault187]

I run 100% VP M1 Methanol, I'll say this....Without it I could'nt run anymore then 22-23 psi on the stock timing curve. Since the meth kit I run 35 psi with timing advanced +6-7 degrees up top but also on a 11.3-11.5 AFR scale. Im going to shoot for the VP M5 meth and try leaning it out to 11.8 -12.0 AFR

 

[xxShaneOmac]

How Does E85 and Meth injection work?
Or water injection?

 

[2gGSX]

Their effects would synergize.

 

[Black_Bullet]

Their effects would synergize.

So a setup with E85 and meth/water injection would obviously handle an even more aggressive tune with no weird affects...

 

[2gGSX]

So a setup with E85 and meth/water injection would obviously handle an even more aggressive tune with no weird affects...

I didn't say that either--they're all variables as far as I'm concerned when it comes to tuning. They each act similarly to increase effective octane through cooling of the intake charge as well as their inherently higher octane value in the cases of E85 and methanol injection (though it should be noted that unless you are injecting a LOT of methanol, it won't contribute heavily towards actual octane).

It is my opinion that with good intercooling, using just one of these should be more than enough to make huge power with.

 

[droppinbottom]

Wow did another search and e85 have poped up in the NW in the last few months.

Now its on to see what I need to do to start my beast on e85! woot!

I am just waiting on my 1600's to come in this week and by this weekend if all goes as planned I should be up and running on E85. Now to find myself a daily driver so I can just take the talon out on the weekends.

 

[Black_Bullet]

Now to find myself a daily driver so I can just take the talon out on the weekends.

You and me both ...

Yea, i cant wait to get E85 down here....I know its gettin close, Its within 50 miles of me now its just not close enough. With an adequate fuel system ,E85 is more than enough for most of us.

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Oh yeahhhh
I got the fuel system
I got the DD
My beast is a WEW allready

So Once I get some of the safety stuff done.
HG and ARP's

Ill rocket the boost to what ever she can hold and get into a tuning freenzy.

 

[turboglenn]

I dont' think adding meth on top of E85 is going to allow for any more agressive of a tune than the E85 alone would. What i have used meth with E85 for is to allow me to keep the injectors below 100% IDC and still be in a good safe AFR by adding meth on top of the E85.

 

[droppinbottom]

I would have to agree seeing as E85 is already 105 octane. If anything I would just use water injection for the cooling. For my own setup I am only going to go with E85.

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Water Injection with E85 sounds very very tempting.

So E85 Lets me sky rocket the timing and boost. ( ill be safe this is my car I dont wanna kill it)

And Then I can use water to keep it all very very chill.

Does this water evoperate? I allways thought water in the air filter -> intake to the moter = dead car.

 

[H82lose91]

Does this water evoperate? I allways thought water in the air filter -> intake to the moter = dead car.

No offense but if you are asking questions like this you really need to read up on water/alky injection before you even attempt to start playing. Otherwise i see this becoming a very expensive hobby for you in the near future. I suggest you do ALLOT of reading here and on some of the Buick forums to get up to speed.

 

[H82lose91]

I dont' think adding meth on top of E85 is going to allow for any more agressive of a tune than the E85 alone would. What i have used meth with E85 for is to allow me to keep the injectors below 100% IDC and still be in a good safe AFR by adding meth on top of the E85.

I havent done this yet, but plan to once E85 is available in the area. My theory is that the methanol injection will suppliment the fuel system just like it does on pump 93 currently and the need for some enormous injectors will go away. For instance, currently my EVO 560's are seeing 70% IDC. The car made 385awhp, considering only 20% for drivetrain loss thats 460 at the flywheel roughly. Im only putting roughly 270hp worth of injector to the car, the rest is a single M15 nozzle.

Obviously with E85 i will need more injector than i have now, but i dont think ill be needing 1000cc/min or bigger to make the same power. I'd add a second meth nozzle before i went bigger. Id really like to see some serious testing and results using both.

 

[91tizzy]

No offense but if you are asking questions like this you really need to read up on water/alky injection before you even attempt to start playing. Otherwise i see this becoming a very expensive hobby for you in the near future. I suggest you do ALLOT of reading here and on some of the Buick forums to get up to speed.

+1
for some good alchohol info check this out....there good ole buick farts

turbobuick.com and search alchohol there is some good info that I have found scoping this site out (being that I own a turbo buick as well=man i love saying that)

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Well I dont take anything personally.

I understand Adding Meth and what it would do.

But just pure water allways had me wondering.
If Im in danger of killing an engine with my filter getting some water in it.
How can I spray straight water into my tbe and my car be fine.

But yeah I dont know to much about this stuff.

I was just starting with people telling me first hand how it has affected their setups.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[H82lose91]

Again read up. You are still worried about your filter which means you still dont understand where injection nozzles should be placed, which is one of the basics. The GN guys have been using water injection for a long time. You got allot of reading ahead of you. Dont rush it, just make sure you truly understand the hows and whys before implimenting any sort of injection setup.

 

[Loewen21]

Again read up. You are still worried about your filter which means you still dont understand where injection nozzles should be placed, which is one of the basics. The GN guys have been using water injection for a long time. You got allot of reading ahead of you. Dont rush it, just make sure you truly understand the hows and whys before implimenting any sort of injection setup.

No actually he's not worried about the filter at all if you read it again. I think he has a good idea of where the nozzles would be located. He's just saying that if sucking water up the intake would cause damage how can injecting it not. But the big difference is in volume of water and also vaporization.