what times could i see?

[bnpimpn]

if i were to put nos on my car...which is stock 1990 2.0L non-turbo Laser....what sort of times would i be seeing? nos is completely new concept for me but im just wondering wether or not it would be worth the money?....

 

[larryd]

nos is a brand name..

nitrous oxide is the product.. and yer times have many many different factors, most important waht **** of nitrous you run.. a 50 shot (50hp) is alot different then 100 shot (100hp)

 

[NosLaser]

Don't put nitrous on your car. Judging by the mods in your sig, you'd have no idea what to do with horsepower. You'd honestly be wasting your money, and you'd prolly pull up next to some LS-1 and start running your mouth and get spanked, and give us DSM'ers an even worse reputation, especially when you lowered your 'boom' and said "Yeah, well I gotz NAWSSSSSSSS dog!!" Save your money, and buy more bling. We'd ALL be better off...

Regards,

 

[Nos~4G63]

Damn that was harsh

 

[bnpimpn]

i'd say i was just askin...just cause i dont have any mods...doesnt mean im not getting any...im sure EVERYBODY ON HERE started off with completely modified cars! yeah right!...everyone has to start somewhere..gimme a break holy $HIT...im just weighing my options

 

[NosLaser]

...i'd say i was just askin...just cause i dont have any mods...doesnt mean im not getting any...im sure EVERYBODY ON HERE started off with completely modified cars! yeah right!...everyone has to start somewhere..gimme a break holy $HIT...im just weighing my options...

In my 23 years of existance on this planet, I think I have a fair grasp on how to read people. In fact, being in sales, I'm trained to do just that. First off, I look at your screen name. Bnpimpn. You been out 'pimpin da hoez' an sh!t so you sure aren't concerned with going fast, you are concerned with what you can tell da hoez you have on your car. Second, I looked at the pics of your car in the gallery. They definately scream pimpin/bling bling. Now all of a sudden, you are mister defensive. "I was just asking an innocent question!" NO, you saw The Fast and the Furious, and saw all the hoez the guys with NAWWSSSSSS got, so you figured "hmm..if I'm already pimpin, and I gotz NAWSSS, den I'd get mad hoez! I'll go on to a website and ask about NAWWWSSS and then the next time I'm pimpin on AOL, I can tell some 15 year old chick about my ride with NOS and actually sound like I know what I'm talking about." How about this for a less harsh response. Do some research. You have a 2.0L non-turbo DSM that is designed for fuel economy, not to be a Fast and Furious pimp ride. I say first decide what you want. You've prolly spent more on stereo stuff and weed than a bad ass 1G Turbo car would have cost you. I'm sick and tired of questions like these, so I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but maybe someone else will be nicer than me.

Regards,

 

[bnpimpn]

well i think that u need to go back to training school..or re-learn how to read people, cuz u know $hit all about me.. 1st of all if u hate these kinda questions then why did u respond in the first place??....i was trying to get some positive responces not negative judgemental ones....just to clear your foggy judgments of me...read where im from...a no name city in alberta...i dont do drugs...iv'e had a steady girl for over a year...and as you pointed out i seen fast and furious but hey...thats not to say nobody else did...i did like the cars on the movie but dont want nos to get the "hoez"...im tired of gettin my ass spanked by some ugly 5.0 mustang,...because just as you made a judgmental call on me they make a judgemental call on my car...it may look all fast...and they've probably seen what these dsm's can do...if anything getting completely spanked by it would make "DSM'ers have an even worse reputation"....all im trying to do is find out if this mod would be worth it??????? because im graduating right away and plan on putting some serious money into the car.... so...im gonna refrase my question for anyone who wants to reply to me with some positive info.

MY QUESTIONS!!

if i put nos on my car what times could i be seeing if i used a "shot" that would not harm my motor...does using nitrous hurt the motor in anyway? what other mods would i need to get if i wanted to put nitrous on my car?? any positive feedback would be appreciated!

 

[larryd]

god.. i think everyone on this site needs to take a deep breath for now on before they reply.. bnpimpn like I replied.. there is ALOT involved with using nitrous and certainly no one starts off as an expert.. youve got alot of reading to do, check all over the internet as there are lots of FAQs and stuff.. I know thats what I did when I first was trying to understand how nitrous works

 

[NosLaser]

I responded like that because I'm an as$hole and because I can. That said, no amount of reliable nitrous kit is going to make your car faster than a 5 liter Mustang. You don't want to hear this, but it's not worth the money to pour mods into a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. Look, if I came off harsh, I apologize. I think you read into it a bit too far because you are right, I don't know YOU. I really wasn't responding to YOU personally, I was responding to the idea that I pictured you associated with. I saw your car, the ricey wing and what not, and came to a conclusion based on that. I looked to your screen name to substantiate my conclusion. You may be really cool as a person, but I don't know you as a person, I know you as a handle on a message board who is pimpin and has a ricey car, and is asking about NOS. See where I am coming from now? I suggest saving your money, and buying a Turbo 1G if you want to go fast. Throwing money into a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder is like wiping your ass with a turd.

Regards,

 

[m_berrow]

to somewhat answer your question you can run a 50 shot without anything else done to your car. i would recommend you leave it there until you get comfortable with it and learn more about it. To get the most out of it i would get a catback exhaust, hi-flow cat, intake, header, and bore the throttle body. You then will have a full exhaust system to get that air flowing better. Now you can rebuild the motor using a top end kit and a bottom end kit consisting pistons, rods, cams, gears, lifters, rockers, etc. You can use low compression to stay away from detonation but you will have no NA power or you can go like 10.5:1 compression and have more NA power. every point of compression increase is 4% more hp. You also want to have a decent fuel system to make sure you never lean out too much or else BOOM! But basically get a NOS wet kit, put a 50 shot on it. get a a/f, exhaust temp, and a oil pressure gauge to monitor the car and your off to a start. Then start doing the other things mentioned to help out. Once you rebuild the motor then go to a 125 shot or 150 shot and run all over some of the turbo guys. DONT TELL THEM I SAID THAT. ! I'm running NOS but im going to buy a stage 4 turbo when i get finish getting the money. TURBO IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GO FAST IF YOU HAVE A NA CAR THAT YOU WANT TO GO FASTER. Im sure everyone on this board will tell you the same thing.

later bro

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by m_berrow
every point of compression increase is 4% more hp.

is that a DSM thing or every car in general?? 4% for a full point like 9.5 to 10.5 right?

 

[m_berrow]

i think thats all cars larry. i know our is like that. so its like 5 hp for NA just to change their compression to 10.5:1 and then all the other mods increase their hp percentage as well.

 

[HighPsi91]

C'mon Noslaser a nitrous guru such as yourself should be able to make a NA DSM kick the **** out of 80% of the turbo DSMs. If the 1g 4g63 is strong enough to handle 450hp turbo'd it can do the same on nitrous. If it were me I would take an NA and put in some cower rods and good turbo pistons... you know a typical high end turbo buildup. Run some healthy cam timing especially on the exaust side. A nice free flowing exaust and intake. Then top it all off with a direct port fogger system. Spray to the tune of 300-400whp. Control it all with a nice progressive nitrous controller to try and acheive traction. Of course a properly prepared suspension, etc is a necessity. I think a bottle fed NA DSM that puts down mid to high 11's somewhat reliably is very attainable. Frankly I am suprised some bottle babie such as NOSlaser wouldnt already have built a NA DSM that accomplishes such a feat. You know bnpimpn I kinda feel the same as NOSlaser when it comes to people in the whole pimp,gangster, whatever scene. TO each their own. I dont like it so I dont do it. But I also try not to act like an ******* to others no matter what their taste. Dont be afraid to try something different despite others.

 

[NosLaser]

The point is he's NOT going to spend any money making a bad ass nitrous motor!!! He wants to buy a 200 dollar used nitrous kit that's missing the fuel solenoid and slap it on his car and be Fast and Furious. Had he asked a real question, warranting a technical response, I would have broken it down for him, but that's OBVIOUSLY not the case. Argue with me all you want, but it's not going to change my opinion on this one...

Regards,

 

[DSMotorsport]

Back to the original question....a NT 2.0 laser (assuming manual trans) stock run in the 16.5 to 17.0 range....so a 50 shot might take you to a 15.5. certainly not enough to beat even the slowest of the mustangs (94-95) or even a new v6. You w2ould be able to pick on civics and integra's though. IMHO I agree with aslan, see the car...buy a turbo model if you want to go even remotly fast. 2.0 NT is JUNK CAR for performance comparativly when 1g turbo's are avaialbe so cheap now adays.

 

[bnpimpn]

thanks for the reply's guys... i would think of selling my car but i just dumped over 3 grand canadian into a new motor and clutch...so im keepin her,..i look at my car and see potential....maybe not to go extremely fast but to look good...im trying to make my car showable...but its gonna cost a bundle so i figure while im at it take out a big enough loan to make her "some" go and a nitrous kit would be one of the faster, cheepest,and most effective ways to do that..thats what i thought anyways...i plan on getting all the basics as well....while you guys seam to think that there are tons of turbo 1g cars around...where im from i found "1"...with high KM'S and its still 6500 canadian...with no mods or anything...so yeah i would be lucky to get half of the money i put into my car back if i sold it...so the way im looking at it, it would be better to keep it....BUT if sometime i feel the real urge to go fast.....then i might buy a turbo model, but for now i just wanna look good and be remotely fast.

 

[Blitzed95Eclips]

i hear ya bmpin or whatever your name is. When i first got my car i wanted it to look sweet. So i bought all cosmetics. Then i was thinking damn im slow i should get nos. But after lots of reading about nos i have decided my non turbo is slower than my grandmas camry so im selling the ***** and buying a turbo. Anyone know of a 95+ eclipse turbo for sale? My NT is for sale!

 

[Silent2g]

throw a 100 shot on there, you'll love it
you'll run 9's
{in the 1/8th}

don't call me when you blow it

 

[dTERM]

Blah blah blah. All I hear is Turbo this and AWD that. You know what? Shove your turbo. I have a 2.0 N/A and I love it. Most of all, I love my insurance payments. If you don't like our cars...shut up and move on.

I'd say, If you're new to nitrous, get a ZEX kit and learn the basics. Put in a small 25 or a 50 shot, and read every word in the http://www.vfaq.com archive. The ZEX kits are cheap, and their customer support is excellent. Don't expect LT-1 performance, but you can feel secure that the system won't detonate your engine. Another thing to consider, where do you get your nitrous? I doubt there's a hose at you're local 7-11. You should probably visit a tuning shop and think about beefing up your engine and transmission first. Stronger gears and forged pistons are required if you want to pour obscene amounts of power out of your car.

I'm not sure where those turbo children get the idea that the 2.0 N/A is an "economy" car. That award is held by the 1.8 liter. You're first step should be getting colder air in and less restrictive air out. Regardles of what people tell you, your car has potential.

Who in their right mind compares dual cam technology with coffee can displacement? Mustang, Camero, Firebird, Trans-am...these are not what we need to compare with. Look at Civic's and 240sx's Imports are NOT comparable with domestics. Sure, it's fun to outrun them, but even a stock Turbo DSM is no match for a stock SS Camero or an SVT Cobra.

Rant rant rant...

 

[RocketDSM]

I agree that running a 25 or 50 shot shouldn't hurt the car in any way. I agree that you should to all your reading and know exactly what you're doing before you start. As example, my nitrous system has been sitting in my living room for almost a year now because I'm not sure how to get the nitrous to turn off once the tubro is spooled up. Obviously, not a problem you will have. But the point remains, know your ****. As for being a little fast, do your basic bolt-ons, see what you think. Don't do nitrous first. I grew up an all motor fiend and still love watching people who put the effort into an all motor car. I may drive (and race) a turbo, but I still feel a little guilty since it is so easy to make power. You may also want to look into transplanting the engine. If you can transplant a 4G63 into it with minimal difficulty it might be worth it.

 

[Slappster]

Uhhh dude sorry to bust in on your pimpin but u can't look good in a 90' NT. Nobody has ever thought they look good. Also obviously u dont have the funds to make a NT remotely fast so dont put n2o in it. By the way stop callin it NOS. Thas like saying kleenex for a tissue. Save the $500 from a nitrous kit and have gas money and insurance payment for next month. Unless of course u dont pay for it.

 

[Church]

Not to be mean but, Good luck making that a show winning car.
Also think about what your doing. You want nitrous to make your car a little faster? Do you plan on spraying everytime you line up with a toyota corolla with rims on it?
There's a kid in my town with a worked civic who decided to buy a bottle and shoot it all in one day, using it at every light he hit and in the same day he said goodbye to however many thousands of dollars repairing his engine.
Nitrous is not meant to be shot everytime a kid in a riced 1988 maxima lines up next to you at a light. Your car is quite slow and mostly every car on the road would have a easy time blowing your doors off.
You said you spent a lot of money on getting your car running already and don't want to sell it cuz of that. When you need all types of engine work after strapping yourself with a bottle to achieve speeds a force fed 1g could match with ease you might realize you spent as much extra as would cost for a turbo 1g.
Im not trying to ruin your hopes and dreams here.
I owned a 97 toyoyta camry and had dreams of it being fast or even a little faster then it was and came to the realization that the car would never be what i wanted.
Why throw money into something when it's not what you want and never will be.

 

[Tyler_Baker]

Sorry man, 420a love man...but....

 

[Zerocygnal]

Sheesh..

 

[niterydr]

Originally posted by Zerocygnal
Sheesh..

where is llaryd???
i thought this wasn't allowed on this forum?
sorry, just tryin to be fair.
and btw...
BUT A FREAKIN TURBO, the NT 1G's are a waist of time, but if you insist, build the motor, and run a huge shot, that way you won't destroy stuff.