Evo=4 Dr Gsx?

[94SupraTT]

I just don't understand the hype. Its powered by a motor that Eclipses have had FOR YEARS. The 4G63. Also AWD with the 4G63 is NOTHING new. Anyone remember the Ecllipse GSX? So why didn't everyone freak out over the 1st GSX? Same motor, both are AWD. Why all the fuss?

 

[greathuskie]

Originally posted by 94SupraTT
Anyone remember the Ecllipse GSX?

what is this "GSX" you speak of?

 

[Hooah]

bigger turbo, front mount, brembo's etc

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by Hooah
bigger turbo, front mount, brembo's etc

You are missing the point. Its basically a mildly modded 4 DR GSX. Nothing more.

 

[13secGST]

With a rally suspension...less weight...and its damn nice

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by 13secGST
With a rally suspension...less weight...and its damn nice

So how much less do they weigh? Rally Inspired Suspension is a tad different.

 

[Syndicate13]

Mainly hype. The Evo has been around in almost every other country for the past 15 years. It's nothing new. The Evo came way before the GSX did. That's why there's so much fuss over the Evo VIII, i we've never gotten an Evo before and now that we have one we have to make a big deal about it. And if you remember when the 1G's first came out all the magazines praised them. It's all about timing, if you go to Toyota now I bet you'll talk to salesman that don't even know what a Supra is. And why should they, the car has been out of production for 5 years. People want to talk about what's new, what's the latest thing. That's all.

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by Syndicate13
Mainly hype. The Evo has been around in almost every other country for the past 15 years. It's nothing new. The Evo came way before the GSX did. That's why there's so much fuss over the Evo VIII, i we've never gotten an Evo before and now that we have one we have to make a big deal about it. And if you remember when the 1G's first came out all the magazines praised them. It's all about timing, if you go to Toyota now I bet you'll talk to salesman that don't even know what a Supra is. And why should they, the car has been out of production for 5 years. People want to talk about what's new, what's the latest thing. That's all.

I can get the "what new" thing. I guess that makes sense. The Supra was in production however until 2002 much like the GTR Skyline. Its just they were not imported here after '98. Thanks for giving a answer that MAKES SENSE!

 

[StockSpyder]

Sorry, but the new Evo is not "just hype" What are the differences? Its a lighter, chassis is better, suspension layout is much improved, way stronger tranny, engine upgrades stock ( bigger turbo, hollow cams ) along with a front mount stock, the car is not only much more refined than any Normal, Illinois plant can produce, and people are already pushing the car into the 11s with mere bolt ons. The Evo is a great car, not just "another 4g63"

 

[DSMSpyder99]

Originally posted by Syndicate13
Mainly hype. The Evo has been around in almost every other country for the past 15 years. It's nothing new. The Evo came way before the GSX did. That's why there's so much fuss over the Evo VIII, i we've never gotten an Evo before and now that we have one we have to make a big deal about it. And if you remember when the 1G's first came out all the magazines praised them. It's all about timing, if you go to Toyota now I bet you'll talk to salesman that don't even know what a Supra is. And why should they, the car has been out of production for 5 years. People want to talk about what's new, what's the latest thing. That's all.

Actually the first EVO 1 can out in 1990 in japan. In the USA we had the triples (eclipse, talon, laser) came out in 1990 so they came out in the same time

 

[Streetbeat]

actually theres a 89 laser

 

[13secGST]

don't forget about the EVO zero...GVR4

 

[TSi999]

Originally posted by StockSpyder
the car is not only much more refined than any Normal, Illinois plant can produce,

What a smart thing to say to a group of DSM owners!!

Sure it has frontmount, etc but is also almost 30K while the ### version EVO VII was around $23,000 and USDM didnt get the 6speed transmission or active adjustable 4wheel drive system so yea its just "another 4g63".

 

[OddyseusDSM]

theres a site somewhere around here with the history of the evos. EVO I came out in '92ish and i believe that they all had a 7 bolt engine if i recall (then the engine was rotated 180 from EVO IV-VIII). the GVR-4 came out in '89 as a production modelthat was basically the first EVO but wasnt labeled so. i have never personally seen a '89 production TEL, I know some were manufactured in '89 (like mine was) but that was a '90 model.

 

[heavyD]

Originally posted by StockSpyder
Sorry, but the new Evo is not "just hype" What are the differences? Its a lighter, chassis is better, suspension layout is much improved, way stronger tranny, engine upgrades stock ( bigger turbo, hollow cams ) along with a front mount stock, the car is not only much more refined than any Normal, Illinois plant can produce, and people are already pushing the car into the 11s with mere bolt ons. The Evo is a great car, not just "another 4g63"

Exactly! If you check out the Car & Driver, Road & Track, Automobile Magazine EVO vs WRX STi comparisons, the EVO won in all magazines despite being a bit slower. Why because it had the best stopping distance R & T has ever recorded as well as being praised in every magazine as on of the best handling car in the world. High praise indeed and worth every penny.

Come on guys! I love my Eclipse too but lets face it. The car is a 2-door Galant with a the 4G63 engine, bigger wheels, and a shapley body style. If you put a 4G63 engine in an Integra chassis, it would run circles around any DSM. Some of the parts are chrysler-made which explains some of the shoddy reliability issues. The EVO is 100%Japanese made goodness!

 

[EvolvingGST]

Originally posted by StockSpyder
Sorry, but the new Evo is not "just hype" What are the differences? Its a lighter, chassis is better, suspension layout is much improved, way stronger tranny, engine upgrades stock ( bigger turbo, hollow cams ) along with a front mount stock, the car is not only much more refined than any Normal, Illinois plant can produce, and people are already pushing the car into the 11s with mere bolt ons. The Evo is a great car, not just "another 4g63"

what he says is totally correct... But the added advantage that few cars can do and the Evolution Lancer has is the 50/50 weight ratio... With that one aspect this car is supperior to many others. The evolution lancer is a car that handles with NSXs and RX7s if not better. It is feared for a reason.

 

[Hooah]

yeah well...everyone of them around here (approx 3) have bad clutches with under 2500 miles....i heard the clutches suck, or they are hard to drive

 

[StockSpyder]

Originally posted by TSi999


What a smart thing to say to a group of DSM owners!!

Sure it has frontmount, etc but is also almost 30K while the ### version EVO VII was around $23,000 and USDM didnt get the 6speed transmission or active adjustable 4wheel drive system so yea its just "another 4g63".

Uh... I own a DSM, not only do I own a very rare one, I've also owned 4 others. How many 10-11 second DSMs have you tuned? been around? worked on? Unless you work at a performance shop like the one I happen to own, Id think you know a lot less than I do. I love DSM's they are my favorite sport compact, but if you are trying to tell me that the fit and finish of a Normal, Ill built DSM rivals that of a Evo, then you are just fooling yourself. Its also 30k? hahaha!! so what? a 98 or 99 2g gsx MSRP'ed for 28ish. do the math. So lets see here, just "another 4g63" MSRP's for about 2k more, comes with nicer interior, nicer finish, a stronger tranny, front mount stock and better handling, weight distribution, etc isnt worth it? cmon.. and while DSM's are one of the greatest bang for the buck imports around, the Evo is a great car, period. Stock for stock it outhandles, outperforms and just flat outclasses a lot of other cars in its class.

 

[94SupraTT]

What I've gotten out of this is. The Eclipse and the EVO were both made around the SAME time. However, the EVO has always been the greater of the two. Its just now that the EVO has been released in the US. I still think $30k+ is ALOT to pay for it. Heck I've heard of people paying $36ish for one. Furthermore, the prices are GOING TO INFLATE. I feel they are good cars, overrated, and overpriced however still an ok car. What causes CRANKWALK? What is going to stop EVOs from getting it?

 

[onepimpclipse]

Originally posted by StockSpyder


Uh... I own a DSM, not only do I own a very rare one, I've also owned 4 others. How many 10-11 second DSMs have you tuned? been around? worked on? Unless you work at a performance shop like the one I happen to own, Id think you know a lot less than I do. I love DSM's they are my favorite sport compact, but if you are trying to tell me that the fit and finish of a Normal, Ill built DSM rivals that of a Evo, then you are just fooling yourself. Its also 30k? hahaha!! so what? a 98 or 99 2g gsx MSRP'ed for 28ish. do the math. So lets see here, just "another 4g63" MSRP's for about 2k more, comes with nicer interior, nicer finish, a stronger tranny, front mount stock and better handling, weight distribution, etc isnt worth it? cmon.. and while DSM's are one of the greatest bang for the buck imports around, the Evo is a great car, period. Stock for stock it outhandles, outperforms and just flat outclasses a lot of other cars in its class.

Excellent explanation.

To clarify it is a 4G63 motor in the Evo. However it's not the exact same motor thats in the GSX, only the same block. So the "just another 4G63" crap is just that.

 

[StockSpyder]

Originally posted by 94SupraTT
What I've gotten out of this is. The Eclipse and the EVO were both made around the SAME time. However, the EVO has always been the greater of the two. Its just now that the EVO has been released in the US. I still think $30k+ is ALOT to pay for it. Heck I've heard of people paying $36ish for one. Furthermore, the prices are GOING TO INFLATE. I feel they are good cars, overrated, and overpriced however still an ok car. What causes CRANKWALK? What is going to stop EVOs from getting it?

Crankwalk is a symptom of 7bolt motors found in 95-99 Eclipses. No the new Evo wont have it, The EVO has a much stronger tranny, I think that in itself is worth the money. People have found the new EVO for under 30 at online brokerages. Prices are going to inflate? hrm.. wonder how you know that.. Mitsubishi is going to release the answer to the STi next year, something thats similar to the UK version of the Evo VIII, so if you are in the market for a new Evo, Id wait for the new one. Yeah 30k is a lot to pay for a 4banger 4 door, but considering bolt ons are powering these cars into the 11s ( on STREET tires mind you ) I think its well worth the money.

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by StockSpyder


Crankwalk is a symptom of 7bolt motors found in 95-99 Eclipses. No the new Evo wont have it, The EVO has a much stronger tranny, I think that in itself is worth the money. People have found the new EVO for under 30 at online brokerages. Prices are going to inflate? hrm.. wonder how you know that.. Mitsubishi is going to release the answer to the STi next year, something thats similar to the UK version of the Evo VIII, so if you are in the market for a new Evo, Id wait for the new one. Yeah 30k is a lot to pay for a 4banger 4 door, but considering bolt ons are powering these cars into the 11s ( on STREET tires mind you ) I think its well worth the money.

So are you saying that only 95-99 DSMs were 7bolt and crankwalk was only a symptom of them? I honestly don't know the specifics that is why I am asking you. Also as far as inflation goes, the prices for the 300z, VR4, RX7, NSX, and RX7 all inflated. The majority if not ALL car prices go up. The price of the EVO will not drop. It will only go up. If I had $30k laying around I would not get an EVO but thats just me. I would probably get a LS1 powered car, or search for an 03 Cobra.

 

[EvolvingGST]

Originally posted by 94SupraTT


So are you saying that only 95-99 DSMs were 7bolt and crankwalk was only a symptom of them? I honestly don't know the specifics that is why I am asking you. Also as far as inflation goes, the prices for the 300z, VR4, RX7, NSX, and RX7 all inflated. The majority if not ALL car prices go up. The price of the EVO will not drop. It will only go up. If I had $30k laying around I would not get an EVO but thats just me. I would probably get a LS1 powered car, or search for an 03 Cobra. You do have me thinking though. EVOs I guess would also be a compromise for those with kids. I might have to get my wife to trade in her Millenia for something with a lil more peep

I think what it comes down to is you like living your life in a strait line... If so you would choose a cobra. If you like to live life flyign around the corners and out handling just about every car out there then the Evo Lancer is the way to go... Its all about prefference... And thats just simple fact right there. IN japan they love racing in auto cross and mountains... They will tell you where the Evo stands. Or you can go look at where it stands....

We in America can live our life in a strait line but we are the only ones... 30k a lot to pay for a car? People who buy BMWs and Mercedes don't think 30k is a lot they think its cheap... 30k for a old TT supra....

why would you pick a supra over a new BMW or Mercedes? Because YOU like it... Simple as that... So I ask you why would anyone buy a Evo Lancer over a GSX... Because they like it... Because of all its advantages on the track...

 

[TSi999]

the chassis would be better than a 2nd gen its about 6 years newer engineering wise. Of course it will be stiffer its shaped like a box and is a sedan and not a hatchback...
Like I said, the Japanese EVO 7 listed for around $23-24,000 american dollars with front mount, brembos, 6 speed transaxle and driver adjustable diff. The US market EVO is nearly 30K and didnt get the 6 speed or the ACD!! Talk about a rip off!


I was at Satan today and they said that they have had 4 EVO 8's in already for new clutches, one at 500miles and the owner wanted them to replace it under warranty. They told him to go fack himself.

And whoever said a Integra chassis is better than a 2nd gen is kidding himself, an Integra is a stretched civIC!

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by EvolvingGST


I think what it comes down to is you like living your life in a strait line... If so you would choose a cobra. If you like to live life flyign around the corners and out handling just about every car out there then the Evo Lancer is the way to go... Its all about prefference... And thats just simple fact right there. IN japan they love racing in auto cross and mountains... They will tell you where the Evo stands. Or you can go look at where it stands....

We in America can live our life in a strait line but we are the only ones... 30k a lot to pay for a car? People who buy BMWs and Mercedes don't think 30k is a lot they think its cheap... 30k for a old TT supra....

why would you pick a supra over a new BMW or Mercedes? Because YOU like it... Simple as that... So I ask you why would anyone buy a Evo Lancer over a GSX... Because they like it... Because of all its advantages on the track...

Actually I bought my Supra because of the INSANE amount of power they can handle without touching the internals. Also the fact that their trannies are extremely strong was a selling point. Oh yeah the fact that they respond well to basic mods. Oh yeah displacement. That was another thing. They have more than most imports. I understand the handling thing with EVOs. However I don't believe many of the EVO buyers will come close to driving their cars to their potential. EVOs are more practical I believe however. Older import fans probably have kids and they can haul them around while still having some pep.