billet tdo5 turbos

[95twinturboawd]

Midwest Turbo Connection Turbo Upgrading

any one here use them or any stock based billet turbo, they are getting big in the 3/s world

 

[Bud92gsx]

For 1000$ it better be a hell of an upgrade.Too bad they don't sell the billet wheel they use in these turbo's.

EDIT: I just emailed them to see if they sold just the compressor wheel.

 

[silicosys4]

Wow, for a td05 16g upgrade to be pushing "200-250" hp more than a stock 16g...does that mean they are claiming to push 50+ lbs/min of air through that thing? Now I'm curious, might have to take the compressor cover off my 68hta and measure, see how it compares to the 68's rinky-dink 47lb/min (claimed) compressor

 

[Force Fed 4g63]

Call me crazy but I'm extremely skeptical. That means they can push well over 500whp out of one of those things...? Even if it did it's the same price as some very nice turbos that could get you there easier. I'll pass.

 

[EclipseOwner95]

Call me crazy but I'm extremely skeptical. That means they can push well over 500whp out of one of those things...? Even if it did it's the same price as some very nice turbos that could get you there easier. I'll pass.

Yeah, people have made over 400 on 16g's before and you expect me to believe you can make 600-650 ? And of course theres not a single specification or air flow rating.

Sounds shady as hell.

 

[Tfitch90]

F*ck those prices.

 

[JusMX141]

So they're taking a $350 billet compressor wheel and machining the cover, then charging you $800-$1000?

I'm clearly in the wrong business.

 

[Bud92gsx]

I'm still waiting on a reply back.But if they sell just the wheel, lets see if we can't get someone to log the wheel flow.

 

[silicosys4]

Wonder if this is a "before" or "after" 16g shortage price,

 

[96awd16g]

Im not sure anyone is gonna believe that without some proof..

 

[silicosys4]

So they're taking a $350 billet compressor wheel and machining the cover, then charging you $800-$1000?

I'm clearly in the wrong business.

I can only imagine if you had a lathe and a cnc machine the things we'd see.

 

[Force Fed 4g63]

Wonder if this is a "before" or "after" 16g shortage price,

You have to send your core in so it wouldn't matter.

I just can't believe they would charge that much without providing airflow numbers, dyno sheets, etc.

 

[95twinturboawd]

You have to send your core in so it wouldn't matter.

I just can't believe they would charge that much without providing airflow numbers, dyno sheets, etc.

New MHI Billet TD05 7659 Turbos

hes your dyno numbers

Dyno Results for Midwest Turbo Connection (MTC) 7659 Billet TD05's (Stage 4's)

(Received a message from Dan at MTC... He's tied up this evening so he gave me the go ahead to release some information about the Stage 4 turbos.)

Well, some new numbers to report after last week’s dyno of 767awhp/758awtq on the MTC Stage-2 turbos. Swapped in the MTC Stage-4 turbos and put down 842awhp/764awtq on the rollers earlier this morning. Same boost pressure, same setup, no changes.

So here’s a quick comparison of various TD05 setups on my car using the same dyno each time.

E16Gs: 688awhp/679awtq (27psi race gas)
68HTAs: 740awhp/762awtq (33psi race gas)
MTC Stage-2: 767awhp/758awtq (35psi race gas)
MTC Stage-4: 842awhp/764awtq (35psi race gas)

Power on the MTC Stage 4’s lagged behind the Stage 2’s by about 200-300rpm until 5000rpms where the Stage 4’s started making a lot more power. A pretty decent trade off I think.

Very minimal changes between the setups. Please remember that peak numbers aren’t the big picture, the overall power under the curve is what’s more important – I’m happy to say overall, each of these combinations has a nice powerband depending on what your specific goals are. Higher boost is attainable, but we realized my AEM MAP sensor is preventing us from doing that at this time. I doubt I will upgrade the MAP sensor to run more boost. I plan on addressing a few other shortcomings instead.

Right now, I am facing a few bottlenecks in my setup that seem to be holding back the potential of these larger turbos, especially up top (6500rpms+). We’re indentifying them, and hopefully will address some, or all, of the potential bottlenecks then re-dyno again for comparison. Just depends how motivated I am to do it along when determining potential gains versus associated costs. After the car going sideways while drag racing and hitting the cement barrier a few months ago, I’m still recovering from those repair costs too, grr. Hoping to prevent that again by running drag radials and finding time to install all 3 limited slip differentials (front, center, and rear) I purchased from Supercar after that disaster.

I get questions from time to time about switching to E85/E95 or whatever special uber-blend Chis Hill uses, but it’ll be awhile before I go that route as it means new fuel pumps, injectors, fuel feed lines, etc. But, when I read earlier what he’s running for timing advance versus what I’m running under race gas, I start to wonder if I’m using old tech here and should make the switch as others have done. Maybe one day, but probably not soon.

Stay tuned….. I’ll try to post up more numbers in the next week or so.

JR

 

[Bud92gsx]

New MHI Billet TD05 7659 Turbos

hes your dyno numbers

Dyno Results for Midwest Turbo Connection (MTC) 7659 Billet TD05's (Stage 4's)

(Received a message from Dan at MTC... He's tied up this evening so he gave me the go ahead to release some information about the Stage 4 turbos.)

Well, some new numbers to report after last week's dyno of 767awhp/758awtq on the MTC Stage-2 turbos. Swapped in the MTC Stage-4 turbos and put down 842awhp/764awtq on the rollers earlier this morning. Same boost pressure, same setup, no changes.

So here's a quick comparison of various TD05 setups on my car using the same dyno each time.

E16Gs: 688awhp/679awtq (27psi race gas)
68HTAs: 740awhp/762awtq (33psi race gas)
MTC Stage-2: 767awhp/758awtq (35psi race gas)
MTC Stage-4: 842awhp/764awtq (35psi race gas)

Power on the MTC Stage 4's lagged behind the Stage 2's by about 200-300rpm until 5000rpms where the Stage 4's started making a lot more power. A pretty decent trade off I think.

Very minimal changes between the setups. Please remember that peak numbers aren't the big picture, the overall power under the curve is what's more important – I'm happy to say overall, each of these combinations has a nice powerband depending on what your specific goals are. Higher boost is attainable, but we realized my AEM MAP sensor is preventing us from doing that at this time. I doubt I will upgrade the MAP sensor to run more boost. I plan on addressing a few other shortcomings instead.

Right now, I am facing a few bottlenecks in my setup that seem to be holding back the potential of these larger turbos, especially up top (6500rpms+). We're indentifying them, and hopefully will address some, or all, of the potential bottlenecks then re-dyno again for comparison. Just depends how motivated I am to do it along when determining potential gains versus associated costs. After the car going sideways while drag racing and hitting the cement barrier a few months ago, I'm still recovering from those repair costs too, grr. Hoping to prevent that again by running drag radials and finding time to install all 3 limited slip differentials (front, center, and rear) I purchased from Supercar after that disaster.

I get questions from time to time about switching to E85/E95 or whatever special uber-blend Chis Hill uses, but it'll be awhile before I go that route as it means new fuel pumps, injectors, fuel feed lines, etc. But, when I read earlier what he's running for timing advance versus what I'm running under race gas, I start to wonder if I'm using old tech here and should make the switch as others have done. Maybe one day, but probably not soon.

Stay tuned..... I'll try to post up more numbers in the next week or so.

JR

Thats a stage 4 on a 6 cyl, not 4g63.No list of mods.so we can't really count that.It's also on race gas.

 

[1MeanTSI]

Holy monkey! Granted thats two of them on a V6. Still pretty impressive.

 

[campos_racing]

Wow, the prices are a killer, but I think I'd rather pass for an hta or somewhere in that range, there's no proof and no one with a dyno session with one of these turbo, I guess you would have to risk it and be one of the first to try it out.

 

[silicosys4]

"This turbo is capable of producing anywhere from 400-450 whp more then a stock TD05 16G Turbo."

I call major BS. Note there is no "these" turbos, or "a pair of these"...it really sounds like they are saying they made a 70lb/min turbo out of a 16g. If not, they need to do a lot of clarification and legitimization on their site. Not that FP has a lot more on their site, but they do have they benefit of user testimony.

 

[95twinturboawd]

as i said in the 1st post its a 3/s, mods are 3.5v6 8.5 264 cams and a street head, stock intake man, but i was looking at it from a relative 100hp more per turbo, and thats only 1.75l per turbo and is making 500hp by 4k, and with a full 2.0l it would only spool faster. makes more power then a e316, 68hta. im looking for the best stock type turbo for my gsx.

 

[96awd16g]

"This turbo is capable of producing anywhere from 400-450 whp more then a stock TD05 16G Turbo."

I call major BS. Note there is no "these" turbos, or "a pair of these"...it really sounds like they are saying they made a 70lb/min turbo out of a 16g. If not, they need to do a lot of clarification and legitimization on their site. Not that FP has a lot more on their site, but they do have they benefit of user testimony.

Agreed. Im extremely skeptical of potentially doubling the output of a 16g. I dont see that happening.

 

[Force Fed 4g63]

New MHI Billet TD05 7659 Turbos

hes your dyno numbers

Sweet...from a completely different platform and TWIN turbos. Until there's some numbers and specs for OUR application I still remain highly skeptical.

 

[95twinturboawd]

Few updates today...

Swapped in some 3" pre-turbo piping (tapered down to 2.5", the size of the compressor inlet) on Friday, and added a small sized meth nozzle pre-intercooler for extra safety. Results are mixed I guess. Found that with the larger intake piping, the turbos don't seem to have to work as hard to make 'x' boost. Whereas last week, 85% duty cycle was 35psi on my Blitz DSBC, it only took 75% duty cycle this time to make 35psi. The first dyno pull was still using 85% duty cycle, which resulted in a 38psi pull by mistake - An 'oops' on our part since the MAP sensor only reads 35psi, higher boost yields a leaner tune. I think it got as lean as mid 12's AFR on that pull. Car made substantially more power at that boost though, 895awhp. We re-adjusted the duty cycle on the DSBC from 75% to 65% to get us back to 35psi and made 852awhp. Decided to leave it at that for now... Timing advance is still in the teens and knock volts are very quiet at the moment.

Post-turbo intake piping is getting upped from 2" to 2.5" next, probably won't get done with that until next Monday or Tuesday. Shop has other cars they need to work on and this requires some cutting to my fender wall and frame near the headlight bucket to fit those larger pipes. Not really sure what (potential) gains to expect from increasing the pipe size and reducing suspected turbulence, pressure loss, etc.

Last Friday we noticed some exhaust soot on the front valve cover so I might have them pull the front header and fix whatever is cracked when they fab the intercooler pipes.

JR

New MHI Billet TD05 7659 Turbos

hes your dyno numbers

Sweet...from a completely different platform and TWIN turbos. Until there's some numbers and specs for OUR application I still remain highly skeptical.

you make a great point i was using it as a relative comparison. and to see if anyone has use a billet stock type turbo.

 

[dexterholland04]

Sounds way too good to be true. If it was, you could throw it on an auto car and absolutely demolish the DSM Stock Appearing class at the Shootout...

 

[98zx23369]

$2200? holy S**t batman that's a lot for a 16g turbo. Id rather a hx 35 or hx 40. Then use the rest in supporting mods

 

[familyMAN]

I think it's the same compressor as a map ef4 but with a larger turbine wheel.

 

[1983gsp]

Come on guys, they are getting that lb/min through 2 turbos...not one. 2 40lb/min turbos = 80lb/min total. Not that unbelievable. Am I missing something? Or does that about sum it up?