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Old 10-21-2009, 12:23 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #1 (permalink)
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Twin Turbo 1G


is it possible to twin turbo a 1g dsm? if so could i see some pics? thanks


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Old 10-21-2009, 12:32 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #2 (permalink)
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Yes. But what good reason do you have for doing such a thing, when one turbo works just fine?

My sequential-parallel twin turbo EVO3 16g car

That Search function works now.
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With the right amount of money anything is possible lol
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One big turbo is better than two small ones. Save your money and beef up your one turbo.

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thanks but i blew my talon i had up and im buying a laser that comes with 2 turbos that are not hooked up yet for 750
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There is alot more to it than "hooking them up." There is alot of custom fab work that will need to be done because this is very rare on DSM's. Another problem is space in our little engine bays.

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eh not worth it...

Compound turbo charging can definitely be beneficial.. ive seen it on a local Supra with amazing results..

If you use the search button... you'll see someone has done compound for DSMs


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eh not worth it...

Compound turbo charging can definitely be beneficial.. ive seen it on a local Supra with amazing results..

If you use the search button... you'll see someone has done compound for DSMs
No offense to the OP but if he's asking about twin turboing a dsm, I dont think he's quite ready for the complexity and fabrication thats involved in a compound setup.

In all seriousness, leave the twin turboing to the cars that are twined from the factory, with todays turbo technology (extended tip compressor wheels for example) its much easier (on the wallet and brain) to stick with a single turbo. There are plenty of turbos out there that can make tremendous power with minimal lag.


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The owner of the shop GSS in Saskatoon, SK is running compound turbos. I have no pics but he had the turbos mounted and working in his '95 Talon AWD. He is now taking the motor out and building a 6 bolt with cosworth racing internals and looking to make 6-700 WHP and running around 11k rpm! I don't know what his "smaller" turbo will be but the second will be a GT45R.


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Here is a link to Paul Volk's thread about his compound set up. It'll give you an idea of the fab work and time that must be invested.
My compound turbo set-up


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A shop in rock island ILL had a twin motor 1ga!


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A shop in rock island ILL had a twin motor 1ga!
Wow how'd they fit 2 motors in one car??

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Wow how'd they fit 2 motors in one car??
Like this.

Twin Engine Talon AWD on e85 - Car Videos on StreetFire


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Thats some crazy shit!

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thats awesome engineering
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Yeah but the people that built it I wouldn't trust for squat.


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thanks but i blew my talon i had up and im buying a laser that comes with 2 turbos that are not hooked up yet for 750
Sell one of those turbos or both and get one decent turbo. I don't think 4 cylinder cars can use two turbos efficiently.
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dang, I bet I could spool two 13g's. That almost sounds feasible!
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2 turbo's of the same size wouldnt really work. If you are into the fabrications and time invested, have at it. Good luck with your choice though. Good advise though to sell both the small turbos and get a bigger one.
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Been done a few times. If you have the money to burn, go for it. Obviously there are more feasabile solutions out there, but some people want uniqueness.


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Yep It can be done but as said before, One turbo should do the job.

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why twin turbo a 4 cylinder
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I'm thinking about doing a sequential twin setup.

There is twin turbo where the turbos are all fed all the time like in a 3kgtvr-4 or 300zx, then there is sequential where one turbo is fed exhaust until it is spooled, then the second turbo is fed exhaust, then there is compound like the one linked and lots of diesel trucks where the exhaust and wastegate of a smaller turbo feeds a bigger turbo.

Why would I even consider this? I have nothing but time, sch40 weld els, and a basket of 14b's. I will try to set it up so that I can easily cut off the flange and put on a holset or big BW turbo. If it can't be setup that way, I won't even bother and just plan on a big single. Two 14b turbos can be in really high efficiency levels at flow and pressure levels near that of a gt35r. A 35r costs much more than plate metal and welding wire.

I've already made a few manifolds for singles, so this will be fun to play with and fits into my budget of $0. If you've never made a manifold, or fabricated anything, it's too much work for not any gain.


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if you are willing to take the time to look into setting up twin turbos on your car, please take the time to look into a twin scroll set up.

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Twin turboing a 4 cylinder would be neat, but it would probably lack power instead of actually gaining you as much as you'd think.

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