So I was thinking 'bout new lifters....parts compatibility Q...

[Hollywood77]

I tried searching, but maybe I'm using the wrong search terms...

I'm in the market for 2G (4G63) lifters, and I found somebody who's got an '04 Eclipse turbo. Now I don't really know anything about any other generations. Would the lifters from that '04 turbo engine work for my 2G?

I know this is probably a stupid question, and I am sorry for posting it, but....the guy with this car said that I could HAVE the lifters for free.....and after finding out that my local dealer charges $42 a piece for new ones, I figured it'd be worth looking into.

Thanks in advance, as usual!!

 

[DJYoshaBYD]

yes.. do a search for "3g lifters"

Do that, and you will be good.. dont even bother replacing those with stock lifters.. Go 3g..

 

[Hollywood77]

Gotcha. I forgot about the whole using-the-quotation-mark thing.

Thanks man!! Much appreciated!!

 

[DJYoshaBYD]

np.. I think you will find that the 3g lifters are alot more quiet and durable.. Thats why everyone rocks them...

 

[Hollywood77]

*nods* Makes sense.

Right on man.

 

[DSMunknown]

Before you are fed misinformation or make assumptions, the term "3G" signifies the 3mm diameter oil ports on the revised lifters. These are not out of the third generation Eclipses. You can pick these up at the Parts Dinosaur for $5.39 each right now. I bought myself 16 of these puppies and will be installing them very soon.



4G63T Mitsubishi Lash Adjusters



Also take a look at the link below for additional help on installing the lifters.



http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...34-diy-lash-adjuster-lifter-removal-tool.html



If you use Mack's (kenamond) article regarding the removal of the lifters, you should know you need to use diesel gasoline to clean out and lubricate the lifters. Mack tells you to use motor oil, but I would not recommend this. I say this because diesel fuel does two things. First of all, it flows very easily so you can get the air out. It is also a cleaning agent if you are trying to clean out deposits that have formed.

 

[Polyol]

1999 was the last year with a turbo. There is no 04 turbo eclipse. DSMunknown is correct you don't use 3rd gen lifters, they have revised lifter that are a little taller and larger oil holes.

 

[MrBoxx]

Anthony is correct. The terms are misleading in and of themselves, and have led to a lot of confusion.

What the lifters in question SHOULD be called is "3rd revision", not "3rd generation" or "3g lifters."

A 3rd gen Eclipse's lifters will NOT work in a 4g63. Also, there were no 3rd gen turbo Eclipses from the factory. If your friend has a turbo on his car, he probably put it there on his own.

 

[kenamond]

FYI, I tried diesel fuel first, and you *can not* compress the lifters with diesel or oil in the lifters. You can compress them with a lifter leak down tester, but it's not something you can do with your fingertips.

If you get new lifters (a set of 16 cost me $120), you don't need to clean them out (duh), but if you're cleaning the old lifters, I'd use something that's meant to break up sludge and then prime the cleaned lifters with oil or diesel as per my tech article. I think the vfaq article describes a cleaning technique, and I've read a few threads on this forum regarding other cleaning methods. But given the pain-in-the-ass-factor of doing this, I'd highly recommend putting in 3g lifters and call it a day.

I've heard that you can get the lifter removal tool for under $40 online. Or you can make your own if you have the wherewithall to cut sheet steel. If you have one, the replacement will be about 100x easier. It's certainly doable with pry bars, but it's gotta be a cakewalk with the proper tool. Then you could sell the tool to someone else.

I got topline revised (3g) lifters. And they're technically called lash adjusters.

 

[DSMunknown]

I partially got my info about using diesel fuel right from the FSM. If you would like to know the page, I took it from 9A-55. Anyways, I also spoke with Bruce over at Parts Dinosaur and he said to do the same.

I found that there was some lubricant that was already in the 3G lifters when I bought them, straight out of the box. (A fairly good amount came out when collapsing them.) I asked Bruce about this and he thought that it was a very light weight lube that was there to protect from the moisture of the ocean and the weather that the container ships always travel through, more than anything else.

Bruce also informed me it would be best to start from scratch, especially with the unknown lubricant already in the lifters.

 

[kenamond]

I partially got my info about using diesel fuel right from the FSM. If you would like to know the page, I took it from 9A-55. Anyways, I also spoke with Bruce over at Parts Dinosaur and he said to do the same.

I found that there was some lubricant that was already in the 3G lifters when I bought them, straight out of the box. (A fairly good amount came out when collapsing them.) I asked Bruce about this and he thought that it was a very light weight lube that was there to protect from the moisture of the ocean and the weather that the container ships always travel through, more than anything else.

Bruce also informed me it would be best to start from scratch, especially with the unknown lubricant already in the lifters.

I started from the FSM, but after I got the first lifter back into the head, I couldn't compress it to get the rocker back on. They'll leak down, but it takes a lot of force (the FSM shows a lifter leakdown tester and describes the procedure, and the lifters obviously auto-adjust, so that made sense). Maybe it's possible if you have the lifter tool, but with both hands fully occupied with prybars, I didn't have *any* luck; it looked impossible to get the rocker over the top of the lifter. So I primed them with 10W30, drained them, then installed them. I think it was steve or someone else who said to use the diesel and leave it in there, too, but I couldn't. I've got thousands of miles on my lifters without any issues, but I've not pulled the VC to see if maybe the cams were marred when I first fired up the motor (oil from the head of the lifters squirts out the back of the bump/socket in the rocker and onto the cam lobe).

So I RTFM but TFM didn't help