2G Viper alarm question

[jr-mack]

i've been searching all day but i cannot get a definate answer on this. i have a greddy turbo timer installed already but i want to upgrade the car's alarm system. i saw that some folks said they had a viper system and it worked with tt and others said it wouldnt work. one guy said that the viper system will disable the ignition but will arm the rest of the car. i also saw that some folks said to just wire the alarm for the accessory. will this work? i just want to arm the car while the tt is counting down, let the car do its thing, and not have to worry about whether my car's alarm is working. i also saw that the high end viper system has a turbo timer like option. sorry for the long post. just tryin to get some answers. any input would be appreciated.

 

[95GSXBLUR]

Ok here's how it works.

CAR ALARMS have what's called a "STARTER KILL" which basically cuts the starter wire in half. NOTHING ELSE. this prevents the car from being started with or without the key ONLY WHEN the alarm is ARMED. It's a basic relay that cuts the wire in half and separates it when it's armed. Make sense? Ok.

My Apexi Turbo timer counts down and you can set the alarm to ARM when the car is running by holding down the lock button on the key-fob. However, you MUST program the alarm to stay ARMED and not UNLOCK the doors when the Ignition is turned of (which is the default setting - you must over ride this)

Take it to a place that has Certified technicians CIRCUIT CITY or BEST BUY that deals with DEI products(viper/python/etc) WITH ALL OF YOUR MANUALS and let them either install it or program it.

I have a Clifford RSIII matrix (Remote Start/Alarm/Keyless) with an Apexi Turbo timer.. all of which I installed myself - I'm a First Class Certified Mobile Electronics Certified Professional (MECP) and I run the shop @ Circuit City here in Lafayette. Been doing this for 8 years now.

 

[greddyturbo19]

get rid of your turbo timer and get a autopage alarm system they come with built in turbo timers! go and do some research! but yea

 

[jr-mack]

do you think i could just ask best buy not to connect/add the starter kill feature. wouldnt that get rid of the problem?

 

[95GSXBLUR]

that defeats the purpose of the alarm beside the shock sensor and the chirp you hear.

 

[assault187]

Aftermarket alarms WILL NOT arm/disarm lock or unlock with the ignition being powered. From what I gather you want to arm and lock the vehicle while the TT is counting down so the vehicle is safe and you can walk away, But if the car is still running and the alarm is set the alarm may go off from the vibrations of the vehicle running.

If you get a remote start system you can ditch the TT, Check out CODE-ALARM, it has a turbo timer feature, and quick stop feature which I use religously. I install this product professionally, I'd have to say it MUCH better then DEI product

CA-630 remote start/alarm/keyless entry

 

[kingjust]

i've been searching all day but i cannot get a definate answer on this. i have a greddy turbo timer installed already but i want to upgrade the car's alarm system. i saw that some folks said they had a viper system and it worked with tt and others said it wouldnt work. one guy said that the viper system will disable the ignition but will arm the rest of the car. i also saw that some folks said to just wire the alarm for the accessory. will this work? i just want to arm the car while the tt is counting down, let the car do its thing, and not have to worry about whether my car's alarm is working. i also saw that the high end viper system has a turbo timer like option. sorry for the long post. just tryin to get some answers. any input would be appreciated.

You have to understand how the alarm works. I have a viper in mine and the turbo timer works perfectly, and without going off while the car is still running and the alarm armed. This is what I mean when i stated understanding how the alarm works. It has usually 2 input signals recognizing if the car is on or not (meaning power). Usually accessories and ignition 1, underneath your steering column. If you have an adapter cable it will be easier to modify. Well, what I did is on the adapter piece for the TT, I cut then respliced the wire that connects the ignition, and moved it to the accessory. So now the power signal of both of the inputs is coming from the accessory. So when you pull out your key, the alarm will notice that there is no power running through the ignition (the modified inputs), when we both know it's false, which allows the turbo timer to run and arming the alarm also. Hopefully this helps. I can take some pics underneath my column if you want to see, just let me know!

KJ

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Are these alarms that come with TT's usable as a TT?
I know alot of features on alot of things are just to get you to buy them.

Fore the sole purpuse of Turbo Timing your car, How does a TT alarm stand up vs a GReddy TT?
Can I add and remove time w/ my alarm and cut TT at anytime to kill the car? Does it add up more time as I drive longer / harder?

 

[95GSXBLUR]

Aftermarket alarms WILL NOT arm/disarm lock or unlock with the ignition being powered.

that is ABSOLUTELY WRONG information. ALL after market alarms made by DEI at least have a feature called ARMED WHEN RUNNING which means when the IGNITION IS ON the system will ARM.

DO some more research before you start spreading FALSE INFORMATION. Go get a DEI User/installation MANUAL and READ IT.

Are these alarms that come with TT's usable as a TT?
I know alot of features on alot of things are just to get you to buy them.

Fore the sole purpuse of Turbo Timing your car, How does a TT alarm stand up vs a GReddy TT?
Can I add and remove time w/ my alarm and cut TT at anytime to kill the car? Does it add up more time as I drive longer / harder?

The alarm turbo timers are programable and you can add or subtract time to them but NO, they WILL NOT auto Adjust for your driving habits. they function off a set time that YOU or your INSTALLER sets up with the initial programing of the alarm.

it basically lets the car run from 1-10 minutes after you take the key out of the ignition and you can arm the car and walk away and it'll stay armed when it shuts down.

Now, if you're using a turbo timer in conjunction with an alarm (like me, I have for the last 4 years) you can ARM the car while it's running and walk away, but you must PROGRAM the alarm brain to stay ARMED when the car shuts down. so the car doesn't unlock/disarm/etc.

Make sense?

 

[assault187]

Im not so sure about that.....Ive never come across an alarm system that will allow you to arm/ disarm lock and unlock the vehicle remotely from the transmitter while the vehicle's ignition is powered, This would serve no purpose anyway. So any person who has hoped the code or has an additional transmitter can jeprodize your safety while your in the vehicle.....Hmmm Now I could be wrong but I have INSTALLED DEI and CODE-ALARM products for the last 5 years and have'nt come across this yet on these newer systems. I have heard of similar things ON OLDER SYSTEMS (8-10 years old) but no time recent, UNLESS it is a remote start system.
Lets try not to such an next time, and be a little more considerate towards other people.

Features of VIPER alarm system:
6-channel security/keyless entry system
On-board Door Lock Relays
Parking Light Flash
Failsafe® Starter Kill
Stinger® DoubleGuard® Shock Sensor
Revenger® Six-Tone Siren
Bright Blue LED Status Indicator
Dome Light Supervision - On-Board Relay
Retained Accessory Power
Comfort Closure
5 Auxiliary Outputs
Horn Honk
Includes Two 4-button Ergonomic Design Transmitters

 

[9eclipse7]

ok, you can do this with any alarm. i'll try to explain best as possible.

First off you need a relay, 30 amp will be fine, that you can buy at any autoparts store.
Find the ignition harness and there will be a black/white wire this is your ignition wire you have to cut it
-You have to connect the ignition key side of the black/white wire along with the (ignition wire) it will be a yellow wire for a viper alarm to 87 on the relay.
-Jump a wire from 87 to 86 on the relay which will be ignition.
-85 on the relay will go to ground.
- 87a not used
-30 on the relay will be the other side of the black/white wire from the car harness you also connect the wire out of the turbo timer here(greddy turbo timer would be the green wire)
If you have any qustions about it i could try to post a picture. hope it helps

 

[assault187]

x2, very good info!

This way the relay is powered and the ignition wire has continuity only when the key is in the on position, then when the key is removed, power to 87 & 86 is lost in turn breaking the continuity on the ignition wire. So now the turbo timer will power the vehicles ignition to keep it running but also "hidding" the igntion power from the alarm module allowing you to arm the vehicle while its cooling.

 

[jr-mack]

couldnt you accomplish the same thing by wiring the alarm to the car's acc wire? i have been told that this works

 

[kingjust]

Guess you missed my post...

 

[95GSXBLUR]

Im not so sure about that.....Ive never come across an alarm system that will allow you to arm/ disarm lock and unlock the vehicle remotely from the transmitter while the vehicle's ignition is powered, This would serve no purpose anyway. So any person who has hoped the code or has an additional transmitter can jeprodize your safety while your in the vehicle.....Hmmm Now I could be wrong but I have INSTALLED DEI and CODE-ALARM products for the last 5 years and have'nt come across this yet on these newer systems. I have heard of similar things ON OLDER SYSTEMS (8-10 years old) but no time recent, UNLESS it is a remote start system.
Lets try not to such an next time, and be a little more considerate towards other people.

Features of VIPER alarm system:
6-channel security/keyless entry system
On-board Door Lock Relays
Parking Light Flash
Failsafe® Starter Kill
Stinger® DoubleGuard® Shock Sensor
Revenger® Six-Tone Siren
Bright Blue LED Status Indicator
Dome Light Supervision - On-Board Relay
Retained Accessory Power
Comfort Closure
5 Auxiliary Outputs
Horn Honk
Includes Two 4-button Ergonomic Design Transmitters

it's not going to be listed on features on the out side of the box - it's a feature in the programmable settings. If you want to talk experience I've been selling and installing alarms for the last 8 years. I've done 500+ remote starts/alarms etc on various cars including my own two vehicles and many other DSMs.


all you have to do is press and hold the lock button until it arms while the car is running. I'd show you if I could - but this is a forum, so obviously I can't do that. I have a Clifford Matrix RSIII - which is about 4 years old - it's a two-way alarm/keyless/remote start.

Check your install manuals or hell even just try it with an alarm while the car is running. You can also turn off your ignition controlled locks so that when the ignition is turned off it won't unlock.

 

[mattans]

I have a viper 500 alarm and when I got it installed they geared it up so that when I press the AUX button on my remote before I turn the car off it will stay running for a pre-determined amount of time. I can then exit the car close the doors and arm the alarm with the remote and then the alarm will arm and the car will stay running, and shut off after 3mins and the alarm stays armed and everything is all good.

 

[assault187]

it's not going to be listed on features on the out side of the box - it's a feature in the programmable settings. If you want to talk experience I've been selling and installing alarms for the last 8 years. I've done 500+ remote starts/alarms etc on various cars including my own two vehicles and many other DSMs.


all you have to do is press and hold the lock button until it arms while the car is running. I'd show you if I could - but this is a forum, so obviously I can't do that. I have a Clifford Matrix RSIII - which is about 4 years old - it's a two-way alarm/keyless/remote start.

Check your install manuals or hell even just try it with an alarm while the car is running. You can also turn off your ignition controlled locks so that when the ignition is turned off it won't unlock.

Yea, But see the OP does not have a Alarm/remote start system, I am fully aware of this function with the R/S systems and the Ignition controlled locks with any system. What I was getting at was this function with a stand alone security system. I have thousands of cars under my belt (not too hard to get the count up when you 1 or 2 installers in a MONSTER of a company for the past 5 years) I just have never come across an alarm system that does not have the remote start system have such a function. So i refered the OP to a remote start/keyless/security system. I usually run through the install manuals to see what new/ different features i can give the customer, Either I missed it ( my mistake, I apoligize) or its not there... I'll take a 2nd look to make sure. (notice im not speaking of a system that incorperates the remote start)

But regardless of what product offers what function, the information that 9eclipse7 posted is very usefull and should take care of the OP's situation with any keyless entry/ security system he chooses or retains what ever system he has , I think we can both agree on this
Where do you work by the way?

 

[95GSXBLUR]

I worked @ best buy from 09/2000 to 02/2006 and I switched to Circuit from 2/2006 to current.

 

[assault187]

I worked @ best buy from 09/2000 to 02/2006 and I switched to Circuit from 2/2006 to current.

I work at H&R auto radio service INC. Word on the news around here was CC was actually getting rid of ALL their higher paid, more experienced installers and replacing them with the newbies that will work for $8.50/hr which wasntt floating too well with the customers (which is why it was on the news). Is this an issue around your way?