Transmission Issue

[Talon64]

OK well i got a used tranny. i have a 95 eagle talon tsi fwd. other tranny went boom. blew the diff and not useable. anyway. i resurfaced the flywheel, put a somewhat after market clutch flywheel. its called Perfection made by Zoom. I put it all in. noticed the hydrolic clutch was going. put new slave cylinder and master clutch cylinder in. clutch was really hard to push. after running it for a day i noticed the clutch was slipping really bad. so i limped it home and adjusted the clutch height. after that i have no clutch. the clutch pedal sits half way to the floor. push the clutch in and the car will start but wont go in gear. well you have to jam it in gear. i just order a new clutch and flywheel. exedy stage one and fidanza flywheel. i dont know if the clutch is shot. i hoping it is but i still dont know why the clutch wont come up all the way. well i tried to explain it the best i could. if anyone needs further information. ill try the best i can to explain it. thanks in advance

 

[blcknspo0ln]

There could but a bunch of things wrong. Mine had the same issue and it turns out the clutch fork was bent. To easily check, just look where the slave cylinder pushes onto on the transmission. There should be the slave cyl rod pushing against a finger that sticks out of the tranny. The finger will usually sit in the middle of the square opening. Verify this and get back to me.

Also, are you sure you bled the entire system correctly?

Did you 'dry pump' the master cylinder? (it can ruin the master cylinder, but it's so fun to do ). You can also verify a bad master cylinder if it is leaking fluid from the rod inside the cabin.

Were you ripping on your new clutch?

When the car was driveable, did you have any notchiness or problems shifting with the new 'used' trans?

Did you use the right fluid?

Did you get a new throw out bearing?

Did you adjust your clutch with the tool?

 

[Talon64]

yes there is a finger sticking out. when i got the tranny the guy sent it ups.... i noticed the tranny was dropped many times. the reverse cover was cracked so i took it off and JB welded it. no leaking there now.

I found out the hard way that the system was done correctly. i had someone hold the clutch pedal down and cracked the bleeder and went all over my face.... tasted real good.

that might be a good possibility that had happen. i'm not sure. thats why i replaced it, it was leaking in the car. what a mess.

kind of. wasnt me though. the guy put my tranny in might have.

the clutch was really hard to push down. it was grabbing so high thats why i adjusted the clutch

i used atf. i'm thinking about getting royal purple made just for manual transmissions. i having my doubts with the other stuff you told me to use. (penzoil synromesh)

yes new throw out bearing. resurfaced the flywheel thats why i'm getting a new one. also its a lot lighter. 14 pounds lighter. weight reduction!!!

yes we used the tool

 

[laserspeeddemon]

I am kinda in the same situation.

Clutch grabs right off the floor. I replaced (new):

Clutch (ACT 2600)
Flywheel (ACT StreetLite)
Clutch rubber line (SS Line)
Master Cylinder
Slave Cylinder
Clutch Pedal Assembly (that was fun)

Then I realized it was the Clutch Fork/Pivot Ball.... That was over a year ago, but I don't drive the car and I'm pretty much tearing it down to build it up. With money tight, it's been a one step at a time basis.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Stop being a sissy Kevin, synchromesh + redline shock proof FTW. If you didn't put the trans in, are you questioning your mechanics work? you should.

Let me mill it over a bit more and I'll post back. You should ask bruce too, see if he has an opinion.

 

[Talon64]

i helped him put the trans in. we put in new axles and put the trans in. no problems. also like i said we did both cylinders. we adjusted the clutch all the way out. thats when the clutch pedal would grab all the way up. so we adjusted it a little bit. then there was no clutch at all. no pressure in the pedal. nothing. it would stick to the floor. like the clutch itself is gone. so thats why i got a better clutch and a new flywheel. i bought the other clutch at advance auto parts. they will give me credit. so thats not bad either. i need a o2 sensor anyway. . damn dsm. so much trouble. how far is the fork suppose to be. i looked it doesnt stick out to far. oh yeah i dont have bruces number ill just pm on here.

 

[oldman]

Hey Kevin,

1. Are you sure the flywheel step was machined properly for your car?

2. Read through this link and pay special attention to "2g pump up" and proper adjustments of the upper stop. http://www.roadraceengineering.com/clutchandflywheeltech.htm

3. You're not bleeding correctly, you're suppose to attach a hose to the bleeder valve and submerge the other end in fresh fluid to prevent air from being sucked back in. Follow the directions exactly as written in this link concerning bleeding. http://www.plymouthlaser.com/slave2.htm

4. Does the tranny shift properly with the car off.

5. Use proper caps when posting in tech sections so I don't have to yell at you.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Hey Kevin,

1. Are you sure the flywheel step was machined properly for your car?

2. Read through this link and pay special attention to "2g pump up" and proper adjustments of the upper stop. http://www.roadraceengineering.com/clutchandflywheeltech.htm

3. You're not bleeding correctly, you're suppose to attach a hose to the bleeder valve and submerge the other end in fresh fluid to prevent air from being sucked back in. Follow the directions exactly as written in this link concerning bleeding. http://www.plymouthlaser.com/slave2.htm

4. Does the tranny shift properly with the car off.

5. Use proper caps when posting in tech sections so I don't have to yell at you.

This is a huge question, so please answer Too bad mr. spelling nazi didn't put his question mark in (gotcha now!)

 

[blcknspo0ln]

oh and another thing, did you use BOTH dowel pins when you mated the tranny to the block?

 

[Talon64]

Yeah the tranny shifts really nice when the car is off. I took it out for a drive and no clutch so i didnt go far. There is no play in the gears. Shifts smoothly just no clutch. Power shifting wasnt to bad at all. just i dont want to do it. I noticed when i tried to get on it. Say i was in 3rd gear and i get on it a little bit. the clutch would slip. So i brought it home. I'm going to try to do what bruce said to do. Ill check the fork that could be it. I dont know how to adjust that but ill check to see where it is. I will rebleed the lines.

Yeah we did. I think we did. I'm going to give the guy a call today. Got my clutch just waiting for the flywheel.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Another thing if you have a partner is you stand in the engine bay and watch the slave cylinder push the fork while your buddy pushes the clutch in and out. Ideally, if it's working correctly, it should be in the middle with the clutch not pressed in, and then it will move towards the pass side when the clutch is depressed.

 

[Talon64]

Ok i will do that. I just understand why the pedal stays to the floor. The pedal doesnt move. There is no pressure. I just got all the new stuff. I might take it all back out and take it to auto parts store where i got it say defects. I want new ones! and ill get new ones and ill put it in myself. I have a feeling he didnt pre bleed the slave cylinder. What should i do about that. Take it off and try to do it again or is it worthless and just get a new one?

 

[Talon64]

Over the weekend I bleed the clutch system the right way. (Thanks Bruce) Now the clutch is still were it was. Now i can shift when not moving. No more power shifting but the pedal doesnt move much. Mabye 3 inches off the floor. Could that be the clutch itself fried? or could it be the Master Clutch Cylinder? The fork thing is pretty much to the passenger side when the clutch is out. Would that cause the clutch not to come up?

 

[blcknspo0ln]

All the way to the passenger side? I'll go take a quick picture. It sounds like you have a bad clutch fork/pivot ball, but I still think it's hydraulic. While you were pumping for the clutch bleed, did you feel any pressure?

p.s., when you text me it cuts off.. dammit

 

[blcknspo0ln]

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/clutchandflywheeltech.htm