does anyone have a shep tranny?

[bighroder]

Ok i dont yet have a TSI or GSX but am looking for one. Anyway i was scouting all the part that i would like to get for it when i am able to find one that is reasonable and within 200 miles from me(dead serois there isnt any in MI).
Here is a list of mods that will eventaully go on the car:
t3/t4 turbo
eagle rotating assembly
better cams(i realy dont know what i want)
header
intake
75 shot of nitrous
can i put on methonal if i already have nitrous?
Anyway i will hopefully be making somewhere around 400hp. I know that shep makes alot of trannys for different occasians, What stage should i use?
thanks zeth

 

[dsmulla]

When you do get the car, before you begin modding it, I suggest you do all the maintenance first. Second, you don't need nitrous, T3/T4 turbo, eagle rotating assembly (not sure what you mean by that??). People have made 400 to the WHEELS with big16G turbo with some cams and stock internals. If that is your goal, you won't need 75% of the things on your list.

Now, a transmission always helps, there is no doubt about that. If you have the money, stage 2 is more then enough for your goals.

However, before doing anything I suggest you do some research into the world of DSM's and then spend your money wisely!

Osman

 

[DGajre777]

a) Buy a car
b) Do all the maintenance on it
c) Start with supporting mods
d) A turbo and transmission should be the last parts you buy, not the first.

As said before, the stock 4G63 engine and transmission has made over 400hp to the wheels.

 

[Kickin Asphalt]

Check this out, it will give you a rough idea on what you need to make those numbers. http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gtupgrades
Also I just got a tranny from Jacks about 2 months ago, shifts great, no problems yet. Never drove one of Sheps but a stage two would be good as said above.

 

[hahnsuper16g]

First for what you listed the nitrous and methanol you don't need to make 400 hp. Second, as stated above make sure the car is in good running condition before you start modding. You should also consider and call TRE and talk to john I just got my tre stage 2 back today and i ordered that along with the shotpeening, 16% taller 5th gear, Heavy duty intermediate shaft, and steel shift rails for all the gears. John was very, very imformative and taught me a lot about dsm transmissions. Shep and Jack make great transmissions as well but I think that for the money you get more done with TRE. Also modding is a path unless you have a really big budget what i am saying is that a lot of people want to walk before they crawl. Look at the forum faq on hp modding levels.

 

[bling5tatus]

Check this out.... you don't need nitrous and water injection... nitrous cools the intake charge on it's own.

 

[aceofriches]

Ok i dont yet have a TSI or GSX but am looking for one. Anyway i was scouting all the part that i would like to get for it when i am able to find one that is reasonable and within 200 miles from me(dead serois there isnt any in MI).
Here is a list of mods that will eventaully go on the car:
t3/t4 turbo
eagle rotating assembly
better cams(i realy dont know what i want)
header
intake
75 shot of nitrous
can i put on methonal if i already have nitrous?
Anyway i will hopefully be making somewhere around 400hp. I know that shep makes alot of trannys for different occasians, What stage should i use?
thanks zeth

Good enthusiasme... bad order...

GET A CAR FIRST then talk upgrades I mean its good to dream we all do it... but you need to base upgrades on what you have... when you have nothing you cant plan an upgrade path yet... and like my fellow DSMrs said above MAINTENECE is the key... doesnt do any good to mod your car to hell if its going to sit in the driveway with a busted timing belt!

ALSO... stick with the 14b/T25 untill its maxed.. and nitrous is unnecesary without first tuning your turbo to the max...

 

[bighroder]

I guess i didnt explain very well I have about 5,500$ saved right now. I expect to pay roughly 2000$ on a 1g awd 5sp. Hopefully a little less
That will leave me with 3500$ for the rest. I plan on 300-400$ for oil change, anti-freeze, tranny fluid, belts, and any other repairs needed.
then I will have 3100 left over to spend on turbos, suspension, cams, intake, header, and any other thing that can be added like a short throw shifter.
How much did you pay for the TRE tranny upgrade? thanks zeth

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Here is a list of mods that will eventaully go on the car:
t3/t4 turbo
eagle rotating assembly
better cams(i realy dont know what i want)
header
intake
75 shot of nitrous

DSM can put out a lot of power with the RIGHT mods and proper tuning. But looking on what you are in for and the mods you do to the car the car will be in pieces in a very short amount of time.

That will leave me with 3500$ for the rest. I plan on 300-400$ for oil change, anti-freeze, tranny fluid, belts, and any other repairs needed.
then I will have 3100 left over...

Plus don't think $3000 will cut.

$700-$1200: turbo depends on which turbo
$400: rods
$400: exhaust manifold
$400: cams
$1200-$1400: transmission
$600-$1000: suspension

you will -
$600: fpr/fuel pump/injectors
$1000: exhaust/downpipe
$800: pistons/springs/retainers
$600: clutch kit/flywheel
$$who knows: installation fee and other thing I forgot


Too much addition for me, but look before you get yourself into this situation is you really want that much.

 

[daren_p]

Like others have said, start small & work your way up. A built transmission is not something that should be first on your list unless you plan on making big power right away. As been said, the stock tranny can hold a good deal. Depending on what stage built tranny you want to go with, you can pretty much use up your whole budget, just on it. But like has been said, this will be pointless as there's no need for that kind of tranny at the power levels you have in mind. Check out the tuning guide on this site, its a great place to start. Also you must come from a NA background, not alot of guys here like using nitrious, its all about boost Most only use nitrious when your power goals are much much larger & the turbo required to meet those goals is also much much larger, so the use of nitrious aids in spool up. With a properly sized turbo for 400 whp, there is absolutely no need for nitrious. Methonal injection on the other hand is a great item to get the most out of pump gas.

 

[DGajre777]

Shep Trans
New Stage 3
Vehicle Cat: DSM AWD
Price: $3045.00

There goes your budget on the transmission alone...

http://www.sheptrans.com/catalog.php?type=t&cat=DSM AWD&id=38

 

[bighroder]

DSM can put out a lot of power with the RIGHT mods and proper tuning. But looking on what you are in for and the mods you do to the car the car will be in pieces in a very short amount of time.



Plus don't think $3000 will cut.

$700-$1200: turbo depends on which turbo
$400: rods
$400: exhaust manifold
$400: cams
$1200-$1400: transmission
$600-$1000: suspension

you will -
$600: fpr/fuel pump/injectors
$1000: exhaust/downpipe
$800: pistons/springs/retainers
$600: clutch kit/flywheel
$$who knows: installation fee and other thing I forgot


Too much addition for me, but look before you get yourself into this situation is you really want that much.

I do all my own work, but maybe you did forget something. 1k for exhaust/downpipe, I think that is a little exagerated.

I am sorry guys I put that list up because i would like to add that stuff over time. I realy dont want to have to buy 2 trannys when i could just overkill it with buying a strong tranny to begin with. Yes i come from a NA background. My freind has a tsi and i raced him. He is that fastest person i have raced so far, but still beat him.

 

[92awddsm]

Shep Trans
New Stage 3
Vehicle Cat: DSM AWD
Price: $3045.00

There goes your budget on the transmission alone...

http://www.sheptrans.com/catalog.php?type=t&cat=DSM AWD&id=38

That is correct. I personally have a new stage 3 shep but I made 400whp long before I had to purchase a tranny. The only reson I swapped was not because the tranny was broken, but because the stocker would no longer shift to 2nd above 8krpm.

 

[DGajre777]

I do all my own work, but maybe you did forget something. 1k for exhaust/downpipe, I think that is a little exagerated.

I am sorry guys I put that list up because i would like to add that stuff over time. I realy dont want to have to buy 2 trannys when i could just overkill it with buying a strong tranny to begin with. Yes i come from a NA background. My freind has a tsi and i raced him. He is that fastest person i have raced so far, but still beat him.

Unless you go to an exhaust shop and make your own exhaust or pick up something from Dejon or Megan Racing, exhaust will run you about 1k. I hope you know that a strong tranny doesn't mean that you can do 8000RPM clutch drops all day long and expect it to last. Go look at the 1/4 mile list and see how many people on here have used nitrous. As said before you can run 400HP on 4G63 engines and run it without nitrous.

 

[hahnsuper16g]

I have the megan racing 3inch downpipe and exaust and i paid right under $1000.00 for the whole thing as well as the cat eliminator. Also with the basic prices that you posted I think you are bench building. Or rather building off thoery and i am not saying this to be harsh but i agree that you should get the car first because until you have that you don't know what problems will come along with the car. I would especially say this if you are getting a first gen as it's older and probably for the price range you are looking to purchase one it's going to have problems. I mean dsms are cheap but remember you get what you pay for. A $2000.00 or less dsm is probably not going to just have minor problems or just need routine maintenance. As for transmissions I would build the transmission before i built the motor and this is just my opinion because the weak link in a dsm is the transmission. The 4g63 can take alot stock but talking with john and seeing dsms come in with tranny issues on more than one occasion at the shop that i go to was experience enough for me. My total transmission cost was $2185.00 and that is the stage 2 tre tranny with 16% taller 5th gear, shotpeening, HD intermediate shaft and steel shift rails for the whole gearset. I opted not to go with double syncroing the gears that don't come with the stage 2 because i only plan on bumping the redline to about 7500 rpms.

 

[coeclipse12]

hey what's up I agree with what these guys are saying but in the tranny area. I had a shep tranny also absolutely loved it. * Never once had a problem shifting. had a act 2100 lb clutch it was 400 bout 4 yrs ago... the tranny I got off ebay used with 1 or 2K miles on it and it was great...sucks now I have awd and can't use it because I have the tranny and act flywheel are fwd. ( which I'm selly btw if u buy a fwd ) and I also know where u can get turbo back exhaust with 3 all the way back. high flow cat. muffler everything for 1G 375 and 2G 350.... so there's my 2 cents...

 

[bighroder]

I am a certified welder and plan on biulding my own 3in exhaust and probably a header to. thanks

 

[bighroder]

i have never realy driven a eclipse But for some reason i doubt that stock internals would even wind out to 8k

 

[1gDSM4g63]

If Shepherd transmission is too pricey, I'd consider Dogbox Racing race transmission for $1200; http://www.dogboxracing.com/Transmission.htm. Even though it's cheaper doesn't mean that it doesn't perform. It has been proven to hold 500+ ft/lbs. And if you're going for only 400 awhp that will do.

 

[92awddsm]

i have never realy driven a eclipse But for some reason i doubt that stock internals would even wind out to 8k

People do it every day with no issues. Hell, I have a stock bottom end and every time I drive my car, I shift at no less than 8k. And have been doing so for 4+ yrs. I do freshen up the bottom end every year or 2 but havent broken anything yet so I have found no reason to upgrade.

 

[TearsForTalon]

As said before, the stock 4G63 engine and transmission has made over 400hp to the wheels.

Yeah, but not for long. If you're looking at putting those numbers down (400whp) then a transmission should be near the top of your list.

These guys are right though, buy the car, make sure it runs like a top, THEN start throwing mods at it. If you don't do things in that order its all going to domino and the next thing you know you'll be writing a suicide letter beside a tall glass of vodka. Ask any DSMer...

And to answer your question, a Stage 3 Shep transmission will suit your needs.

 

[BoostFrenzy]

As long as you don't do 7k clutch dumping launches, your stock tranny should be fine. If you want to do launches just because it's and AWD, learn the right way.

-As for parts, you don't need nitrous.
-You probably should stick to the Mitsu housing style turbo's because you don't need a T3/T4 turbo to get 400.
-For the engine internals. If you have the time, I would suggest stripping it down and just refreshen the entire thing. There is no need to go built now. And I'm sure if the car is in good running order that it wouldn't cost much for some gaskets and some studs and some new rings. Remove the balance shaft assembly and get a good crank damper. (Like this one: http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=3_134_85&products_id=1294)
With all of this done (With quality parts of course) the engine should be able to hold 400HP daily for a long time.
-With the engine apart and the money saved from not going crazy on the internals, you can build up your head with cams and springs.

Best advice I can give for an older model car.