Are these cams too good to be true? need advice fast please

[Novablue454]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BRIA...008QQitemZ180142066791QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

these are really cheap.

think they are real?

 

[Chuck_3]

Yeah man. I got my Brian Crower's for $295 shipped to Alaska. Not sure if they are REAL Brian Crower cams or not. There's some vendors on here selling them for around that price if they still have them in stock

 

[Burnett03]

That is a very reliable seller so yes i believe they are legit.

 

[Bender]

Extreme psi is only about 10 dollars more when all said and done, and a better vendor. I have purchased from importblowoutsales before, and can't complain. However, go to the brain crower website and you will see that the stage 3's (280s) have a longer powerband and made over 125 horse more than the 272's at 4500 rpms. They have higher lift and longer duration... this leads to move valve over lap, which is when both intake and exhaust valves are open at the same time This 'cleans out' your cylidners of hot air, and replaces it with fresh cold air which is a big plus, especially for top end. I just put 280's in a 92 tsi awd with a 50 trim yesterday, and have found that it makes the car idle rough because of less vacuum. If your really looking to go fast go with the 280's, if you looking to go a little faster on a mostly street car go with 272's.

 

[Novablue454]

its not going to be a drag car, its going to be a street/autox/track car.

would the 280s be too big for this?

 

[96gstdsm]

its not going to be a drag car, its going to be a street/autox/track car.

would the 280s be too big for this?

Unless you are going to run a really huge turbo and mainly for drag I would go with the 272's! And yes that is the real price for them. I just bought some off here one of the vendors had them for 304.99 including shipping. Check the vendor announcements to see if they still have them in stock. I got them from modern automotive performance.

 

[JayRolla]

its not going to be a drag car, its going to be a street/autox/track car.

would the 280s be too big for this?

Really madders what turbo and motor you are going to run. If you are going to stroke the motor, the 272's wont do anything. I would go with 280's, if you stay with a 2.0l and running a normal to mid size turbo I would stick with the 272's.

 

[Novablue454]

im going 2.3 stroker with a bigger turbo, but acceptable spool for autox with a few pulls down the 1/4 every now and then.

 

[96gstdsm]

im going 2.3 stroker with a bigger turbo, but acceptable spool for autox with a few pulls down the 1/4 every now and then.

Which turbo are you going with? If your thinking 16g size turbo, definitely the 272's.

 

[JayRolla]

Which turbo are you going with? If your thinking 16g size turbo, definitely the 272's.

He said he is going to run a stroker and larger turbo. 280's would be way better. 272's in a stroker are like stock cams in a 2.0L. In a stroker they also idle real well.

 

[Novablue454]

Well I was looking into the FPgreen, but I think the spool time might be too slow for autoX. So now I have really no Idea what turbo.

 

[JayRolla]

Look into getting a dual ball bearing turbo. With the stroker it will spool real fast.

 

[Novablue454]

as in a garett?

I get so lost when it comes to turbos. Way too many choices.

 

[Bender]

Ran the car last night with the 280s. 26psi on a 50 trim (same size as green, only journal bearing) got spool about 3800 rpm, but pulled hard the whole way. Idles at about 3 lbs of vacuum. Once at about 1200 rpm's, the car doesn't lobe as much.

 

[mavisky]

A green is a stupid turbo for Autox.

A stock 2g block with a well running 14b will be plenty for most on an autox course.

Autox is not about HP, it's about mechanical grip. Nothing wrong with a stroker and a Green, but make no mistake it will not be a good "autox setup". You'll be upshifting and downshifting alot and constantly waiting for it to make boost and just when it starts to, you'll be back on the brakes to turn again.

If you wanna build a fun street car get a green and a stroker, wanna build an autox car look elsewhere turbo wise. My 1g block with a tdo5 18g is a little too laggy for autox, if I wasn't building this car for fun on the street and on the road course I'd go back down to a 14b to get some boost response back.

Back to the topic at hand the same rules apply. Wanna build a stroker for autox? 272's degreed right would be great, unless you're going to make a ton of power you don't really need the 280's even on a stroker, and trust me 280's and a Green will not be much fun at all on an autox course.

 

[daren_p]

For street or autox, like Mavisky said, go with the 272's. For 1/4 mile, big turbo & reving well past the stock 7500 redline, go 280's. I know a few people who went from 272's to 280's & said they lost a good amount of power/torque in the low/mid range. If you don't plan to rev over 8000-8500, 272 will be great for you.

As for are they real, I would imagine so as that is a legit vendor as far as products go. Though I have seen them listed for just as cheep or cheeper from vendors on here & some include free shipping. As for the vendor themselves, I personally will never deal with them again. I bought several products from them, one was defective, they flat out lied in their auction stateing they were a distributor for the item manufacturer & basically told me I'm SOL & they would do nothing about getting me a replacement.

 

[Jst4Cyl]

I went with BC 280s and I don't plan on looking back....I feel that I will see a nice gain up top even if I don't rev to the moon...Too many reliable sources (BC themselves recommended them to me over the 272 setup) Give them a call and tell them your goals and what you like.....

SBR gave me a GREAT deal, BUT I bought them in May and didn't get them untill July....But this wasn't there fault, as BC was on back order...Give Mike Huml a call (ext 13) ..... Good guy and gets on the ball without any BS....

BTW, it is recommended that you get the Spring and Retainer kit when running these cams... Here is a few pics I took...

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x238/AWDTSIracer/ProjectJST4CYL508.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x238/AWDTSIracer/ProjectJST4CYL658.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x238/AWDTSIracer/ProjectJST4CYL505.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x238/AWDTSIracer/ProjectJST4CYL504.jpg

 

[JayRolla]

For street or autox, like Mavisky said, go with the 272's. For 1/4 mile, big turbo & reving well past the stock 7500 redline, go 280's. I know a few people who went from 272's to 280's & said they lost a good amount of power/torque in the low/mid range. If you don't plan to rev over 8000-8500, 272 will be great for you.

This is true but more with a 2.0L. On a stroker 272's did nothing on my buddy's 2.4. When he installed the 280's he said it really brought the motor alive from 5k and up.

Now it looks like you got your cams already. Looks like your going to build more of a drag car now. If your building a stroker I would go with a gt37r or a t67 and make some real big power.

 

[Novablue454]

no, i didnt get any cams yet. i decided to wait since i found out some vendors sell them just as cheap.

Would a properly built N/A 4g be better for autox? I have a 90 n/a galant and the 90 talon tsi. I was planning on buying a complete turbo engine and putting in the galant with just a few mods as a DD, and building the talon.

When you go to a stroker with cams, dont you pretty much have to upgrade the turbo because even touching the gas will put the 14b out of its efficency range?

 

[mavisky]

If you're awd a 14b/s16g would work good, fwd either a built to holy hell na motor or a 14b. I'd still say you're better off with a 14b powered fwd since you'll be hard pressed to get it down as low as some of the little na hondas.

 

[Novablue454]

are FWDs better for autoX then AWDs?

I have both, I just need to figure out what to do to which for what.

 

[JayRolla]

no, i didnt get any cams yet. i decided to wait since i found out some vendors sell them just as cheap.

Would a properly built N/A 4g be better for autox? I have a 90 n/a galant and the 90 talon tsi. I was planning on buying a complete turbo engine and putting in the galant with just a few mods as a DD, and building the talon.

When you go to a stroker with cams, dont you pretty much have to upgrade the turbo because even touching the gas will put the 14b out of its efficency range?

You dont have to replace the turbo. My buddy is running a 2.3L with 280 cams and the stock 14b. . He hits full boost by 2000rpm and has to shift by 3500rpm.

 

[yukondoit]

You dont have to replace the turbo. My buddy is running a 2.3L with 280 cams and the stock 14b. . He hits full boost by 2000rpm and has to shift by 3500rpm.

Wow... Thats all I've got to say.